Discussion
pinchmeimdreamin said:
9mm said:
Teenagers are like dogs, subject to sanctions if they misbehave, and they are indeed kept locked inside if their misdemeanours are serious. Dogs are destroyed. Do you see the difference, cat owners have a pet that everyone else just has to put up with?
But as has been said ( and not answered ) what exactly does a cat do that equates to a fraction of what dogs/teenagers do?And requires Such drastic measures as confining Cats to lives indoors ( which IMHO is not in the cats best interests)
9mm said:
You clearly take the view that there is nothing that cats do that justifies people getting upset about them or cat ownership. That's your right and I am not going to try and persuade you otherwise.
Not at all, I freely admit My cats using my neighbours garden as a toilet can be annoying, what I am saying is if in the grand scheme of things that is a major problem to you then you are a very lucky person.pinchmeimdreamin said:
9mm said:
You clearly take the view that there is nothing that cats do that justifies people getting upset about them or cat ownership. That's your right and I am not going to try and persuade you otherwise.
Not at all, I freely admit My cats using my neighbours garden as a toilet can be annoying, what I am saying is if in the grand scheme of things that is a major problem to you then you are a very lucky person.
Nice to see some cat owners seeing things from my POV. My front garden is slabbed ,with the remainder covered in gravel .It was originally in wood bark till cats decided this was a good crapping place. Few years ago ,I decided that my old banger was ready for it's last trip and sat in the front for a few days. I'd been under to have a look at front brakes etc, with no problems. At that time scrappies were charging to take away ,so it went to a couple of lads for banger racing. Taking it away it stunk of tom cat pee. My sister lives in Kent and all provide a litter tray for their moggies. Result- no cat problems. Seems that where cat owners show decent respect for others,there's no problem. Then there's the old scare tactic against dogs- Toxicaris. Most decent dog owners worm and flea treat their dogs. So there's no chance of worms/eggs in their poo. How many cats get this ,and the risk if Toxicaris is equal from cat muck, buried in the soil ( but then the old ladies in Town Hall don't want us to know that ,do they ?)
[quote=Who me ?]Then there's the old scare tactic against dogs- Toxicaris. Most decent dog owners worm and flea treat their dogs. So there's no chance of worms/eggs in their poo. How many cats get this ,and the risk if Toxicaris is equal from cat muck, buried in the soil ( but then the old ladies in Town Hall don't want us to know that ,do they ?)
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Lets have a look at the figures then.
I quote the NHS Choices web page.
"The Health Protection Agency (HPA) only recorded 30 cases in England and Wales between 2000 and 2010."
I quote the patient.co.uk web page.
"Human toxocariasis is caused by migration of the larvae of Toxocara canis (dog roundworm) and less frequently of T. cati (cat roundworm) through the human tissues."
Every cat owner I know worm and flea treat their cats.
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Lets have a look at the figures then.
I quote the NHS Choices web page.
"The Health Protection Agency (HPA) only recorded 30 cases in England and Wales between 2000 and 2010."
I quote the patient.co.uk web page.
"Human toxocariasis is caused by migration of the larvae of Toxocara canis (dog roundworm) and less frequently of T. cati (cat roundworm) through the human tissues."
Every cat owner I know worm and flea treat their cats.
Martin4x4 said:
What is to stop you, you ask.
The Theft Act for a start.
That only applies if you intend to keep the cat. There is no theft in moving the cat from your property or humanely trapping it and returning it to its owner. The best part of that for the OP is that maybe this cat doesn't have a collar and just a chip. So each time it appears in his trap he has to call the RSPCA or take it to a local vet. Hopefully then the owner will pay for the cat deterrents.The Theft Act for a start.
I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them s
t all over their gardens.pinchmeimdreamin said:
You may well have had Problems with Cats in the past (if so then I feel sorry for you) however I have grown up having cats in the family and in the neighbourhood and have never had any issues that involved more 10 seconds with a bag to scoop an errant poop in.
That is the worst a cat is going to do.
That's entirely what this thread is about though isn't it? Your solution is that I have to go out with a bag and check my large garden and clean up someone elses cat's poop every single time before I allow my children to play out there? That is the worst a cat is going to do.
That seems pretty unreasonable as a response to the problem.
gazza285 said:
[quote=Who me ?]Then there's the old scare tactic against dogs- Toxicaris. Most decent dog owners worm and flea treat their dogs. So there's no chance of worms/eggs in their poo. How many cats get this ,and the risk if Toxicaris is equal from cat muck, buried in the soil ( but then the old ladies in Town Hall don't want us to know that ,do they ?)
Lets have a look at the figures then.I quote the NHS Choices web page.
"The Health Protection Agency (HPA) only recorded 30 cases in England and Wales between 2000 and 2010."
I quote the patient.co.uk web page.
"Human toxocariasis is caused by migration of the larvae of Toxocara canis (dog roundworm) and less frequently of T. cati (cat roundworm) through the human tissues."
Every cat owner I know worm and flea treat their cats.
Oh wait.......
TheAllSeeingPie said:
That only applies if you intend to keep the cat. There is no theft in moving the cat from your property or humanely trapping it and returning it to its owner. The best part of that for the OP is that maybe this cat doesn't have a collar and just a chip. So each time it appears in his trap he has to call the RSPCA or take it to a local vet. Hopefully then the owner will pay for the cat deterrents.
I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them st all over their gardens.
Oh yeah busted.... you have obviously zeroed in on the absolute reason why we all get rid of pets just after xmas (all the neighbours have gone back to work and they would just be burden on us).I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them s
t all over their gardens.In hindsight I deliberately bought our aquarium just to p
s off the local water supplier.Tomorrow, I thought I might buy a feral Eagle, just in case someone near me owns some homing pidgeons. It seems a perfect reason to buy one.
Hol said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
That only applies if you intend to keep the cat. There is no theft in moving the cat from your property or humanely trapping it and returning it to its owner. The best part of that for the OP is that maybe this cat doesn't have a collar and just a chip. So each time it appears in his trap he has to call the RSPCA or take it to a local vet. Hopefully then the owner will pay for the cat deterrents.
I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them st all over their gardens.
Oh yeah busted.... you have obviously zeroed in on the absolute reason why we all get rid of pets just after xmas (all the neighbours have gone back to work and they would just be burden on us).I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them s
t all over their gardens.In hindsight I deliberately bought our aquarium just to p
s off the local water supplier.Tomorrow, I thought I might buy a feral Eagle, just in case someone near me owns some homing pidgeons. It seems a perfect reason to buy one.
I'd suggest that the Pie is actually blind
TheAllSeeingPie said:
That only applies if you intend to keep the cat. There is no theft in moving the cat from your property or humanely trapping it and returning it to its owner. The best part of that for the OP is that maybe this cat doesn't have a collar and just a chip. So each time it appears in his trap he has to call the RSPCA or take it to a local vet. Hopefully then the owner will pay for the cat deterrents.
I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them st all over their gardens.
Has anyone on here actually spoken with the owners of cats who are pooing in their garden/causing destruction? Or is everyone just having an inward grumble and looking at more drastic and illegal methods of resolving the problem? My cat has a collar and is chipped, he is flea'd every month and wormed every 3 months, he has a litter tray (but chooses not to use it as he is free to come and go as he pleases - as is his choice and his nature being a cat). I check immediate neighbours gardens for any poo once every couple of weeks. No-one has ever mentioned any problems to me but if they did, I would work with them to try to resolve the problem.I'm disappointed at the cat owners on here who are defending their cats in the face of people getting upset. You have deliberately got a pet that you know has the potential to upset other people. It's a risk you have taken and you need to accept that risk rather than attacking other people about it. If my cats were upsetting my neighbours I'd work with them, and even pay for materials, to do something about it instead of tell them they are powerless to let them s
t all over their gardens.The problem is that most people would rather avoid reasonable discussion and will instead take matters into their own hands, creating friction and tension when it could so easily be avoided.
I'll repeat...cats aren't dogs. Comparing them with dogs is comparing apples with oranges. Completely different nature, routine and temperament. Cats are independent, dogs dependent.
So, OP, TALK TO THE OWNER!! If that isn't possible because you know know where they live, natural deterents. I admit a small amount of cat owners would take the 'it's a cat, deal with it' stance, but I'd wager no more than the nubmer of negligent dog owners.
Hol said:
Oh yeah busted.... you have obviously zeroed in on the absolute reason why we all get rid of pets just after xmas (all the neighbours have gone back to work and they would just be burden on us).
In hindsight I deliberately bought our aquarium just to ps off the local water supplier.
Tomorrow, I thought I might buy a feral Eagle, just in case someone near me owns some homing pidgeons. It seems a perfect reason to buy one.
No, I'm not saying it's the absolute reason am I? However if you buy a cat you should accept that it can piss the neighbours off and you should do something about it rather than leaving them to be upset? Or are you happy to play the "it's a cat, of course it can sIn hindsight I deliberately bought our aquarium just to p
s off the local water supplier.Tomorrow, I thought I might buy a feral Eagle, just in case someone near me owns some homing pidgeons. It seems a perfect reason to buy one.
t all over your garden, live with it?".As for the suggestion of a feral eagle, that certainly would put a stop to the cats in the OP's garden, thanks for the great idea!
_dobbo_ said:
Cat owners in this thread - if I knocked on your door and was reasonable, asking you to come to my garden twice a day to clean up your cat's st - I assume you would all be reasonable and say yes?
If the alternative was you putting out a saucer of antifreeze for the cat then I'd say yes. However I'd also put orange peel and lemon juice down to stop the cats doing it in the first place.t - I assume you would all be reasonable and say yes?I never said the alternative was me trying to kill your cat! It was just a question in response to the requests for a reasonable approach to the owner.
Frankly finding a cat's owner is pretty unrealistic for me in the area I live in, and killing the cat would never enter my mind in an instant. I can't use a supersoaker since I can't get anywhere near a cat, they all scarper the instant the back door opens.
Orange peel and lemon juice doesn't work - and I don't have a dog any more - so my only option is to deal with it, which is fine, such is life, but I do take issue with the whole idea that I am somehow being unreasonable because this situation upsets/annoys me.
Frankly finding a cat's owner is pretty unrealistic for me in the area I live in, and killing the cat would never enter my mind in an instant. I can't use a supersoaker since I can't get anywhere near a cat, they all scarper the instant the back door opens.
Orange peel and lemon juice doesn't work - and I don't have a dog any more - so my only option is to deal with it, which is fine, such is life, but I do take issue with the whole idea that I am somehow being unreasonable because this situation upsets/annoys me.
_dobbo_ said:
I never said the alternative was me trying to kill your cat!
I was only messing with you on that one. I'd say get in touch with your local cat rescue (not the RSPCA they are useless), they might be able to offer advice or do something about it like lending you a cat scarecrow or if the cat doesn't have a collar trapping it to see if it's microchipped or a stray. You definitely don't want feral stray cats in your neighbourhood that causes all kinds of issues!
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