Caught speeding by camera - out of date NIP?

Caught speeding by camera - out of date NIP?

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Mighty Racoon

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62 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Hi guys, just a quickie -

I had an NIP drop on my mat on 21st August 2014 for a speeding offence that took place on the 30th June 2014. Is it null and void due to being late?

I've googled and googled, but lots of places have conflicting information. I called Citizens Advice and they said that they weren't sure either. I've returned the NIP with my details, but can I still contest it?

Thanks in advance

Mighty Racoon

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62 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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I should probably confirm that the NIP was actually dated 21st August 2014 - so it's not like it got caught up in the post.

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Your car?
Company car?
Hire car?
Recently purchased car?
Recently moved house?

agtlaw

6,712 posts

206 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Is it the first NIP? Who is the registered keeper? Is / was DVLA record accurate?

Mighty Racoon

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62 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Roo said:
Your car?
Company car?
Hire car?
Recently purchased car?
Recently moved house?
My car.
No move of address. When I bought the car, I was given the green New Keeper slip. I didn't receive a V5 in the post, so when I went to tax it (back in April) I used the green slip. This, as far as I'm aware, should have updated DVLA's records.

So I can't see why it's taken them this long to send me the NIP.

Mighty Racoon

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194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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agtlaw said:
Is it the first NIP? Who is the registered keeper? Is / was DVLA record accurate?
It is the first NIP (I think). There's nothing on there to imply that they've had a hard time finding me or that they were given my details by someone else?

How would I check the DVLA record?

agtlaw

6,712 posts

206 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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It's September now.

Do you have a V5C with your details on it?

Mighty Racoon

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194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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agtlaw said:
It's September now.

Do you have a V5C with your details on it?
No, I don't.

agtlaw

6,712 posts

206 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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See s. 2(3) RTOA 1988.

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Mighty Racoon said:
agtlaw said:
It's September now.

Do you have a V5C with your details on it?
No, I don't.
That's what's caused the delay.

ETA: If the NIP is dated 21st August you'd better do something about getting the reply in the post pretty quick.

Edited by Roo on Tuesday 16th September 12:11

SiH

1,824 posts

247 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Mighty Racoon said:
agtlaw said:
It's September now.

Do you have a V5C with your details on it?
No, I don't.
Rather unsurprisingly I suspect your documents have gone walkabout at the DVLA and according to the nice people at the .gov website the onus is shared to ensure that you have received a V5C. I think your attempts to avoid the NIP based on time might well be thwarted by the fact that you don't have a V5C as you have failed to inform the DVLA of the change of keeper. Clearly you sent off the old V5C with the change of keeper details but the fact that you didn't receive a new document and didn't chase it up are likely to mean that the responsibility, rightly or wrongly, falls with you.
It's a bh but there you go!

Mighty Racoon

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194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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agtlaw, I have no idea what that means mate?

Roo, I guess this means I'm still gonna get done for it then huh? How annoying (although justified all the same)

Mighty Racoon

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62 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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SiH said:
Rather unsurprisingly I suspect your documents have gone walkabout at the DVLA and according to the nice people at the .gov website the onus is shared to ensure that you have received a V5C. I think your attempts to avoid the NIP based on time might well be thwarted by the fact that you don't have a V5C as you have failed to inform the DVLA of the change of keeper. Clearly you sent off the old V5C with the change of keeper details but the fact that you didn't receive a new document and didn't chase it up are likely to mean that the responsibility, rightly or wrongly, falls with you.
It's a bh but there you go!
Ah, how frustrating. I imagine that is what's happened

SiH

1,824 posts

247 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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Mighty Racoon said:
SiH said:
Rather unsurprisingly I suspect your documents have gone walkabout at the DVLA and according to the nice people at the .gov website the onus is shared to ensure that you have received a V5C. I think your attempts to avoid the NIP based on time might well be thwarted by the fact that you don't have a V5C as you have failed to inform the DVLA of the change of keeper. Clearly you sent off the old V5C with the change of keeper details but the fact that you didn't receive a new document and didn't chase it up are likely to mean that the responsibility, rightly or wrongly, falls with you.
It's a bh but there you go!
Ah, how frustrating. I imagine that is what's happened
The DVLA's ability to lose post is quite staggering. When we moved house I deliberately sent our V5Cs and driving licences in 4 separate envelopes as I was worried that they would all disappear if sent together. As it turns out my driving licence was lost by them and my wife's replacement V5C came back with my name on it (despite my wife's name on the V5C being her maiden name) and they couldn't explain how that had happened. I think that speaks volumes, of 4 documents sent to them 1 was lost and 1 came back with an error that they couldn't explain. Wonderful...

3Dee

3,206 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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...which fits the comment made on R4 today that Gvt/MPs are increasingly unhappy about the apparent incompetence of the current operators of the DVLA and are actively seeking to get the whole organisation back into the direct hands of the transport Dept!

That will go well then!

Mighty Racoon

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62 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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They're useless!

Ah well, not worth fighting then I guess? Or maybe still worth a punt?

Thanks for the help though, I won't hold my breath. At 22, I could do without the points (I was doing 37 in a 30, annoyingly)

BertBert

19,039 posts

211 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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SiH said:
Clearly you sent off the old V5C with the change of keeper details but the fact that you didn't receive a new document and didn't chase it up are likely to mean that the responsibility, rightly or wrongly, falls with you.
It's a bh but there you go!
He won't have sent the V5 off as that's the seller's responsibility. The new keeper relies on the slip to say they are the new keeper.
Bert

mmm-five

11,242 posts

284 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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If the DVLA don't have a record of the owner change, then how did the NIP find its way to the new owner?

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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mmm-five said:
If the DVLA don't have a record of the owner change, then how did the NIP find its way to the new owner?
Current registered keeper sent it back saying it wasn't him.

stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

216 months

Tuesday 16th September 2014
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You're off it mate.
Rip it up, and put it in the bin.
Its their fault.