Are these 'fake' yellow lines?

Are these 'fake' yellow lines?

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Nurburgsingh

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5,104 posts

237 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Avenue Road in Southall UB1. Its the section between Hamilton road and Boyd Avenue. The google and streetview images are from 2012 so its all a bit out of date.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Yep I'll stick with my original thoughts. And even if they try and say they painted the permanent markings with temporary paint, there's still the lack of vertical plates.

Good luck!

smile

ETA the sign should look like this, ignore the "verge or footway"



Edited by OpulentBob on Wednesday 17th September 13:44

agtlaw

6,680 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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OpulentBob said:
1. Do yellow kerb markings HAVE to be accompanied by a black and white sign on a nearby post?

If they are loading markings, then yes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 Section 20.2:
"Adequate vertical signing is essential, so
that drivers can readily establish the precise
restrictions in force. Inadequately signed restrictions
are likely to be legally unenforceable."

2. Is there a standard for road markings? Paint/size/application etc?

Yes. See Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5, Section 20

3. Do these kerb markings look fake to you?

The kerb markings in your photo are 100% an instruction to the lining gang. I spray them all the time. Give it a fortnight and they will have worn/washed away.
The TSM is just guidance so it's advisable to cite the regulations and directions to the TSRGD - as well as the TSM. By the way, this poster must mean Chapter 5 section 20.2. If he actually did mean Chapter 3 then it's section 6.

I'm no expect on parking and I know that London has it's own peculiar rules. Getting the TRO is a good idea. Good luck.

Edited by agtlaw on Wednesday 17th September 14:08

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Yes Chapter 5! Sorry. Fat fingers, plus I've been working with Ch3 all day.

Edited by OpulentBob on Wednesday 17th September 14:16

Basic

82 posts

180 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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You've probably got the answers now, but the traffic sign regs were changed some time ago, and no longer require signs with double yellows, if they apply at all times. They DO require signs with no loading markings (which i thought they didn't if they applied at all times).

Circular 02/03 makes it clear "“At any time” plates are no longer required with double yellow lines if the prohibition on waiting applies at any time throughout the year...Signs to diagram 638 are still required to indicate a prohibition on loading at any time – because the double kerb markings to diagram 1020.1 are less conspicuous than double yellow lines to diagram 1018.2, and because of the need for loading prohibitions to be clear to disabled badge holders."

We'd really need to see the traffic order or further down the street to be sure. If there's just that one kerb marking, it's probably temporary. If they're at regular intervals, it's probably a no loading prohibition.