Parking Eye - What's the current advice for these?
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It's highly unlikely to go to court and they generally don't have a leg to stand on if it does.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's generally much easier to avoid the problem altogether by obeying the rules in the first place (although sometimes they do take the piss in terms of poor signage).
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's generally much easier to avoid the problem altogether by obeying the rules in the first place (although sometimes they do take the piss in terms of poor signage).
kambites said:
It's highly unlikely to go to court and they generally don't have a leg to stand on if it does.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's generally much easier to avoid the problem altogether by obeying the rules in the first place.
Except when you go over the arbitrary time period but actually use the facilities that its in place to stop people abusing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's generally much easier to avoid the problem altogether by obeying the rules in the first place.
kambites said:
I don't see how the fact that you were using the facilities makes it any less of a faff dealing with a ticket?
Your point was to say to obey they the rules. If I obey by the rules, I'm only allowed to stay for the time limit, usually 2-3 hours. What if my shopping/lunch etc takes longer and there isn't a way of extending the time period - why should I get a ticket?It was a meeting with a client, I didn't see a single sign, all I wanted to do was get my car parked and get my head together for the meeting!
It's a freaking leisure centre, coffee shop and business park on the outskirts of Telford for goodness sake, I didn't for one minute think it'd be a paid car park.
It's a freaking leisure centre, coffee shop and business park on the outskirts of Telford for goodness sake, I didn't for one minute think it'd be a paid car park.
TIGA84 said:
kambites said:
I don't see how the fact that you were using the facilities makes it any less of a faff dealing with a ticket?
Your point was to say to obey they the rules.
Terminator X said:
They rarely go to court and get battered when they do. This forum is not your friend in this respect as it's full of "you're on private land, you must pay" types.
TX.
No, it's full of "don't be a selfish tTX.
t" types, and unlike on those other fora not all of us regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights; but we also recognise that the inflated claims made by the parking companies are duff. 
Breadvan72 said:
No, it's full of "don't be a selfish tt" types, and unlike on those other fora not all of us regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights...
Haven't seen a single post claiming either of those 'rights' since I've been on PH but one or two posts can easily be missed when there are so many threads t" types, and unlike on those other fora not all of us regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights...Presumably you have quotes and a link or two which will take us to the threads in question.
PistonHeads: Accuracy Matters.
turbobloke said:
Breadvan72 said:
No, it's full of "don't be a selfish tt" types, and unlike on those other fora not all of us regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights...
Haven't seen a single post claiming either of those 'rights' since I've been on PH but one or two posts can easily be missed when there are so many threads t" types, and unlike on those other fora not all of us regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights...Presumably you have quotes and a link or two which will take us to the threads in question.
PistonHeads: Accuracy Matters.
Breadvan72 said:
So does reading what is written. I am not referring to PH.
Reading what was written, and comprehension, are fine here - minorly convoluted forms of expression with more than one negative included. Ambiguity however is not the fault of the reader.Also, in not referring to PH, you referred to PH
Step 1
"unlike on those other fora" = [PH is] unlike those other fora (obvious meaning)
Step 2 building from Step 1
"not all of us regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights" = on PH some of us rather than not all of us do regard those matters as rights
Use of not all of us can mean that some of us are outside the category that follows.
The category that follows is those who "regard being able to park where you like and/or drive as fast as you like as fundamental human rights".
If there are no examples, and I did ask politely, then it would have been unambiguous to say "none of us regard being able to park (etc)" since both some or none satisfy not all.
The issue here is the ambiguity of 'not all of us' as it can be interpreted as 'not all (of us)' i.e. some, or 'not (all of us)' i.e. none, and the former option wasn't clearly excluded.
HTH
I would strongly suggest you look at the pepipoo website. there are guys on there who will help you out and you end up not paying anything 'IF YOU HAVE GOT A CASE'.
A lot of these PPCX are now taking people to court and in some cases winning. however, the key phrase that will give you a win at POPLA is 'Not a genuine pre estmate of loss'
ie its a fe car park and what have they lost? nothing therefore the charge ,its not a fine, is punative.
There will be some on here that will tell you to pay up etc etc, but try pepipoo first. Its free to register and is worth reading about other cases, esp the Council ones who really cock up on official wording and lose big time
Still at the end of the day you have two choices
1) is to contest it, take it to POPLA ( if there is still time) and get the PPC to pay nearly £30.00 for the privilege OR
2) You pay them £100.00
Its your choice
A lot of these PPCX are now taking people to court and in some cases winning. however, the key phrase that will give you a win at POPLA is 'Not a genuine pre estmate of loss'
ie its a fe car park and what have they lost? nothing therefore the charge ,its not a fine, is punative.
There will be some on here that will tell you to pay up etc etc, but try pepipoo first. Its free to register and is worth reading about other cases, esp the Council ones who really cock up on official wording and lose big time
Still at the end of the day you have two choices
1) is to contest it, take it to POPLA ( if there is still time) and get the PPC to pay nearly £30.00 for the privilege OR
2) You pay them £100.00
Its your choice
JoeNorton said:
Got done in Telford back in June, 3rd letter is chatting on about court, haven't responded yet.
Advice please?
a) Insufficient detail to be able to give any meaningful answerAdvice please?
b) You're asking in the wrong place
As well as the pepipoo link posted earlier there is plenty of advice on MSE.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/search.php?sea...
Look in the newbie section there as well.
Should it get as far as court (which it only will if you lose at POPLA and want to carry on the fight),
then have a look here - http://www.parking-prankster.com/court-claim.html
Be aware that they will try to use the HHJ Moloney judgement (which is being appealed) as a frightener.
@ Breadvan72.
PE is a particularly scummy operator whose slew of dubious and questionable tactics (which include trying to deliberately mislead the court) have been well documented by the Parking Prankster.
As someone who is professionally involved in the law, do you honestly believe filing bundles running to hundreds of pages* (which the judge is plainly not going to read in full) for a claim over a £100 invoice is an appropriate use of (small claims track) court time?
* The most extreme example of this was at Aberystwyth in April this year - reportedly 700!
JoeNorton said:
Got done in Telford back in June, 3rd letter is chatting on about court, haven't responded yet.
Advice please?
If you were in the wrong then pay up. If you feel the parking company is wrong then fight it. Just because it is not a council issued ticket should not excuse you from doing what is correct.Advice please?
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