Road rage video - Birmingham

[anonymous-user]

Rich Boy Spanner said:

In a normal and sane country we could. But this is the UK. Physically restrain anyone in any way and you are likely to be up for a charge. Even shouting at somebody is classed as assault (with hitting someone, what most people think of assault being assault with battery).

This is terrible, incorrect advice that should be ignored.

The law provides ample room to defend yourself, your property and others providing what you do is reasonable in the circumstances.

[Devil2575]

La Liga said:

Rich Boy Spanner said:

In a normal and sane country we could. But this is the UK. Physically restrain anyone in any way and you are likely to be up for a charge. Even shouting at somebody is classed as assault (with hitting someone, what most people think of assault being assault with battery).

This is terrible, incorrect advice that should be ignored.

The law provides ample room to defend yourself, your property and others providing what you do is reasonable in the circumstances.

Indeed, my father in law physically restrained some who attacked another person and held them until the Police arrived. There was no question of him being charged.

[9mm]

La Liga said:

Rich Boy Spanner said:

In a normal and sane country we could. But this is the UK. Physically restrain anyone in any way and you are likely to be up for a charge. Even shouting at somebody is classed as assault (with hitting someone, what most people think of assault being assault with battery).

This is terrible, incorrect advice that should be ignored.

The law provides ample room to defend yourself, your property and others providing what you do is reasonable in the circumstances.

And therein lies the problem. When intervening in a violent physical assault I would want to protect the victim and myself - my concerns would not extend to the assailant. As I'm no kung fu master the easiest may to do that would be to hit the violent women with the largest blunt instrument to hand until they were passive. I can confidently predict how that would go down.

[HTP99]

The attacker just looks like scum; tracky bottoms, flip flops, a vest top and hair tied back in a pony tail, she just looks like many people of her ilk; just can't be bothered with the way that she looks, whereas the woman that is attacked has a fitted top that is tucked in to some nice jeans, with shoes, I can't see her hair as it is blurred but I can imagine she has gone to some trouble that morning to make it look presentable.

I can just imagine the obscenities and screaming that are coming from the attackers mouth, she just has scum written all over her.

[cheesesliceking]

HTP99 said:

The attacker just looks like scum; tracky bottoms, flip flops, a vest top and hair tied back in a pony tail, she just looks like many people of her ilk; just can't be bothered with the way that she looks, whereas the woman that is attacked has a fitted top that is tucked in to some nice jeans, with shoes, I can't see her hair as it is blurred but I can imagine she has gone to some trouble that morning to make it look presentable.

I can just imagine the obscenities and screaming that are coming from the attackers mouth, she just has scum written all over her.

Not sure if serious or if you're a Daily Mail writer out to troll.

[Negative Creep]

hora said:

Negative Creep said:

I'd say a lot of it is the shock factor. If you're doing your shopping you don't expect two people to start fighting in front of you and are unsure how to react. Several years ago when I was outside working on my car I saw someone climb out a neighbour's window holding some stuff and run off. Obvious what had happened, but for those crucial moments I was taken aback, not sure if I really just saw that, perhaps he was their son who forgot his key etc. By the time I figured I needed to run and grab my Dad he was long gone. Saying things such as "well I'd just step in there and do this and that" on a forum are very different to standing next to it and taking action

I can't find it but somewhere in my PH history is an occurrence where my nextdoor neighbours daughter (a nurse) banged on a social tenant/house across the road asking them to move their car. It turned ugly with both sides on the street. I was fettling my bike on my drive and just intervened. I even took two of the blokes from the other house into their house and calmed them down. If you had asked me before that what I'd have done? I'd shouted calm down at them all and stood in the middle telling them to do it elsewhere. What I actually did was weird. Very calm, I listened and made the peace. Weird.

Fair play for sorting the situation in such a way, especially as it's nothing you can plan for. To use a more extreme example, I have read that in warfare it's often the arrogant loud people who fall to pieces and it's the quiet, unassuming ones who perform the acts of heroism

[Hackney]

23rdian said:

Does anyone actually find the video "shocking"?

That's what I thought. When I saw it was "shocking" I was expecing much worse than that. Even though it's completely out of order.

[anonymous-user]

9mm said:

La Liga said:

Rich Boy Spanner said:

In a normal and sane country we could. But this is the UK. Physically restrain anyone in any way and you are likely to be up for a charge. Even shouting at somebody is classed as assault (with hitting someone, what most people think of assault being assault with battery).

This is terrible, incorrect advice that should be ignored.

The law provides ample room to defend yourself, your property and others providing what you do is reasonable in the circumstances.

And therein lies the problem. When intervening in a violent physical assault I would want to protect the victim and myself - my concerns would not extend to the assailant. As I'm no kung fu master the easiest may to do that would be to hit the violent women with the largest blunt instrument to hand until they were passive. I can confidently predict how that would go down.

Your concerns need not extend to the assailant, but you can't so something grossly disproportional.

[9mm]

La Liga said:

9mm said:

La Liga said:

Rich Boy Spanner said:

In a normal and sane country we could. But this is the UK. Physically restrain anyone in any way and you are likely to be up for a charge. Even shouting at somebody is classed as assault (with hitting someone, what most people think of assault being assault with battery).

This is terrible, incorrect advice that should be ignored.

The law provides ample room to defend yourself, your property and others providing what you do is reasonable in the circumstances.

And therein lies the problem. When intervening in a violent physical assault I would want to protect the victim and myself - my concerns would not extend to the assailant. As I'm no kung fu master the easiest may to do that would be to hit the violent women with the largest blunt instrument to hand until they were passive. I can confidently predict how that would go down.

Your concerns need not extend to the assailant, but you can't so something grossly disproportional.

This where it's difficult because someone else, in the luxury of cool and calm surroundings, will decide what was proportional. I want it to be sufficiently forceful to minimise the risk to myself and the duration of the attack on the victim. I'd therefore want to use a tazer if I had one, but since I don't, then I think a couple of hefty whacks with a crowbar, which I do, should do the job. Trouble is, I think that would land me in hot water.

Why should I risk a punch in the mouth or some other form of assault when I can disable someone with a couple of hard blows. I don't want to bash their brains out but I'd certainly want them to be unable to get to their feet after I'd hit them. As I say, I can't use a tazer on a violent person and I don't have handcuffs either. It's a very difficult judgement for the average person to make.

Edited by 9mm on Thursday 25th September 15:03

[V8forweekends]

Hackney said:

23rdian said:

Does anyone actually find the video "shocking"?

That's what I thought. When I saw it was "shocking" I was expecing much worse than that. Even though it's completely out of order.

I do. I don't see genuine violence like that in my daily life, ever, lucky for me.

I don't live in a big city though.

[camelot1971]

Hackney said:

23rdian said:

Does anyone actually find the video "shocking"?

That's what I thought. When I saw it was "shocking" I was expecing much worse than that. Even though it's completely out of order.

I was shocked at the disproportionate response from the woman who attacked the other woman, if the build up to it was accurate (and I haven't read anything to suggest they made it up).

[EskimoArapaho]

Hackney said:

23rdian said:

Does anyone actually find the video "shocking"?

That's what I thought. When I saw it was "shocking" I was expecing much worse than that. Even though it's completely out of order.

I wouldn't say it's "completely out of order". But it is slightly naughty.

[daveky]

HTP99 said:

The attacker just looks like scum; tracky bottoms, flip flops, a vest top and hair tied back in a pony tail, she just looks like many people of her ilk; just can't be bothered with the way that she looks, whereas the woman that is attacked has a fitted top that is tucked in to some nice jeans, with shoes, I can't see her hair as it is blurred but I can imagine she has gone to some trouble that morning to make it look presentable.

I can just imagine the obscenities and screaming that are coming from the attackers mouth, she just has scum written all over her.

You can just see "benefits" as they walk down the road as if they were wearing a sandwich board with it written all over it.

[clarkey]

I thought the lady in green had quite nice knockers though.

I also like to hope that I would have tried to stop it.