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Sort of similar where I live. I knew there was an army training base opposite, I was told (by the builder) you get the odd helicopter and during the summer they have a shooting club on Sunday mornings.
Shooting is all year round and way more than once a week, helicopters are actually chinooks and fly 100ft above the house at all times of the day night.
During one particular 1am sortie a neighbour rang the base to complain. "When will you stop making all that noise?" She asked. "When the UK stops going to war" was the answer.
Yes it's annoying but can't say fairer than that! After 2 years I've pretty much got used to it. It's a talking point at the very least.
Shooting is all year round and way more than once a week, helicopters are actually chinooks and fly 100ft above the house at all times of the day night.
During one particular 1am sortie a neighbour rang the base to complain. "When will you stop making all that noise?" She asked. "When the UK stops going to war" was the answer.
Yes it's annoying but can't say fairer than that! After 2 years I've pretty much got used to it. It's a talking point at the very least.
I've been living at this address for 12 years. Never had any noise issues until now. I only live by the entrance of this place and the main venue is deep within the grounds, so no where near my house. Really hard to explain without disclosing the actual address.
Really dunno why all the t
tish comments are coming from, remind me to never post here again.
Really dunno why all the t
tish comments are coming from, remind me to never post here again.Used to frequent a workers/social type club as a youngster.. got to say I'd never, ever live near one now.
Underage drinking, drugs, bushes being used by couples.. all night parties, fires fights and cars coming and going.. got to say I absolutely loved it - its where I found out I was a lesbian.. but the poor neighbours went through hell every weekend, and most weekday evenings. Not just drunken noise but damage to cars and property.
Now I'm old I look back and feel horrible at what we put the locals through. And nobody complained.. they knew they'd be better off keeping quiet
Underage drinking, drugs, bushes being used by couples.. all night parties, fires fights and cars coming and going.. got to say I absolutely loved it - its where I found out I was a lesbian.. but the poor neighbours went through hell every weekend, and most weekday evenings. Not just drunken noise but damage to cars and property.
Now I'm old I look back and feel horrible at what we put the locals through. And nobody complained.. they knew they'd be better off keeping quiet
Edited by frumpytrickle on Friday 26th September 20:26
OP, I'm head of licensing for a local,authority so I'll give you some straight advice.
The club will operate under a licence issued by the local authority in accordance with the Licensing Act 2003. The licence will either be a "premises licence" or a "club premises certificate".
The biggest difference between these two types of licence is that a club with a premises licence has to have a "designated premises supervisor" (DPS, or landlord in old money) named on the licence. The DPS should be involved with the day to day running of the premises and will hold a personal alcohol licence, so has at least passed a course on the responsible sale of alcohol and the basics of licensing.
A premise which holds a club premises certificate, on the other hand, does not have to have a DPS and is run by the committee of the club for the benefit of its members and their guests only. Therin lies the problem with CPCs - the premises tend to be run by committees which contain no-one with any professional licensing experience.
Other than the diffenrence in how the two types of premise are managed, there are very few other differences between the two types of licence and the management of any premise which is licensed under the LA2003 must promote the licensing objectives, one of which is "preventing public nuisance".
So, although the behaviour of the staff etc. may not be directly breaching the licence/CPC or any conditions attached to it, the fact that the staff are creating a nuisance after closing time is undermining the public nuisance objective and your local authority have a range of enforcement options available to them.
On Monday, ring your local council, and ask to speak to a licensing officer. Tell them about the problems you're experiencing and that you would like some action taking. Give them your details, but ask them not to pass them on to the management of the premise.
At the very least, I would expect the officer to speak to the DPS or to the club secretary about the problems you're experiencing. I wouldn't expect any formal action to be taken at this stage beyond a warning letter, but if the problems continue, the local authority could apply for a review of the licence. You could also apply for a review yourself, but you wouldn't remain anonymous and you're better waiting until the local authority have taken some action first.
If you have any difficulty contacting a licensing officer, or you feel they aren't taking your complaint seriously, speak to your local councillor and ask them to contact the licensing officer on your behalf.
The club will operate under a licence issued by the local authority in accordance with the Licensing Act 2003. The licence will either be a "premises licence" or a "club premises certificate".
The biggest difference between these two types of licence is that a club with a premises licence has to have a "designated premises supervisor" (DPS, or landlord in old money) named on the licence. The DPS should be involved with the day to day running of the premises and will hold a personal alcohol licence, so has at least passed a course on the responsible sale of alcohol and the basics of licensing.
A premise which holds a club premises certificate, on the other hand, does not have to have a DPS and is run by the committee of the club for the benefit of its members and their guests only. Therin lies the problem with CPCs - the premises tend to be run by committees which contain no-one with any professional licensing experience.
Other than the diffenrence in how the two types of premise are managed, there are very few other differences between the two types of licence and the management of any premise which is licensed under the LA2003 must promote the licensing objectives, one of which is "preventing public nuisance".
So, although the behaviour of the staff etc. may not be directly breaching the licence/CPC or any conditions attached to it, the fact that the staff are creating a nuisance after closing time is undermining the public nuisance objective and your local authority have a range of enforcement options available to them.
On Monday, ring your local council, and ask to speak to a licensing officer. Tell them about the problems you're experiencing and that you would like some action taking. Give them your details, but ask them not to pass them on to the management of the premise.
At the very least, I would expect the officer to speak to the DPS or to the club secretary about the problems you're experiencing. I wouldn't expect any formal action to be taken at this stage beyond a warning letter, but if the problems continue, the local authority could apply for a review of the licence. You could also apply for a review yourself, but you wouldn't remain anonymous and you're better waiting until the local authority have taken some action first.
If you have any difficulty contacting a licensing officer, or you feel they aren't taking your complaint seriously, speak to your local councillor and ask them to contact the licensing officer on your behalf.
You could try a can of Psilence......
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt4r94_look-aroun...
In all seriousness, if you're not prepared to go around and just ask them politely, your options are probably pretty limited. Just because they appear a little undesirable they may surprise you. I hope you get it sorted.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt4r94_look-aroun...
In all seriousness, if you're not prepared to go around and just ask them politely, your options are probably pretty limited. Just because they appear a little undesirable they may surprise you. I hope you get it sorted.
Some Gump said:
...And that is what is wrong with this country. A full essay and it's all in code. No wonder the council can't sort anything out in a timely fashion, they're too busy interpreting TLAs
Out of order Sir. Gentleman gave full and knowledgeable advice in an area of his specialist knowledge. That information is far more useful to the OP. You should apologise IMO.Studio117 said:
Would you like a tissue for your massive vagina?
I understand the OP and would not recomend getting some snickers. A local pub to me has turned from canal side tourist pub to local night club. License is frequently broken and cars beeping horns at 4am. Two residents complained. Both had windows put in and repeated car vandalism. Council scum decend upon the place on sunny weekends because "it's nice innit". So I suggest approach licensing department. They will take an interest but they need to be in breach of the license frequently for them to take notice.
Jamesgt said:
...but they need to be in breach of the license frequently for them to take notice.
No they don't. A first complaint should be enough for the local authority to at least take some informal action. More often than not, this can nip problems in the bud before they get any worse and save more work in the long run.R_U_LOCAL said:
No they don't. A first complaint should be enough for the local authority to at least take some informal action. More often than not, this can nip problems in the bud before they get any worse and save more work in the long run.
You're right but speaking from experience I know this is not the case, at least with the pub in my village. Mate, i understand your pain but as a first off just have a quiet word and see what happens, explain the nuisance they are causing to the local residents. After this if it continues explain that they will be severley punished, if that doesnt deter them then follow the leader to his home and kneecap him, job jobbed0
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