Have been accused of theft?

[Mojooo]

mildmannered said:

Have I understood this correctly so far?

1) Client not happy with install/equipment
2) Client accuses you of theft
3) Client wants you to come back and remove supplied equipment

? Sounds like you'll also need a solicitor to start civil proceedings against this client for loss of earnings and anything else you can throw at them.

Quite clearly bonkers. Can't believe the police would be that interested in pursuing such a "case" either, A tiny bit of due diligence would reveal that this isn't just about the alleged missing necklace. Staggered quite frankly.

Hmmm - and how does the Police officer know any of this? He only has one side of the story so far until he formally speaks to the OP.

Maybe they will be less interested after the interview.

I imagien some of you nutters would be fuming if the Police did not take your allegations of theft seriously.

[HDM]

R1 Indy said:

This is the letter I had by special delivery today:

If I believed someone had stolen something off me, the last thing I would do is invite them back around!

Some quality stationery used there, who said the art of letter writing was dead?

[Mk3Spitfire]

Eclassy said:

This!

The police are able to pick and choose which cases they investigate based on their prejudices and other personal factors. In the OP's case and a mate of mine, they were happy to investigate based on just the allegation of one person against another with absolutely no other evidence.

You don't help yourself, do you?
You have such a limited knowledge of how things like this work, so why open your mouth and confirm it.
Police don't pick and chose anything. If a crime is reported, unless there is overwhelming evidence that it has not happened, then they are duty bound to report it.
The problem with your little incident is that your video shows a man, walking up to your car and knocking on your window. Now, you may be if a nervous disposition, but this does not constitute a crime.

[mildmannered]

Mojooo said:

mildmannered said:

Can't believe the police would be that interested in pursuing such a "case" either, A tiny bit of due diligence would reveal that this isn't just about the alleged missing necklace. Staggered quite frankly.

Hmmm - and how does the Police officer know any of this? He only has one side of the story so far until he formally speaks to the OP.

Maybe they will be less interested after the interview.

I imagien some of you nutters would be fuming if the Police did not take your allegations of theft seriously.

I obviously don't have a clue about such matters, but common sense to me would be for a Policeman to contact the OP and pay an informal visit to ascertain his side of events and take it from there.

As has become quite apparent throughout this thread (which was alarming), I would be very reluctant to volunteer anything to the Police without a solicitor from now on and probably end up looking more cagey than Ian Brady!

Anyway, would the CPS be interested in a stolen necklace case?

Would the Police be willing to pursue a case (against the accusers) for wasting their time if the necklace was found at the "victims" premises?

• Last sentence edited for clarity **

Edited by mildmannered on Wednesday 1st October 23:41

[Mojooo]

mildmannered said:

Mojooo said:

mildmannered said:

Can't believe the police would be that interested in pursuing such a "case" either, A tiny bit of due diligence would reveal that this isn't just about the alleged missing necklace. Staggered quite frankly.

Hmmm - and how does the Police officer know any of this? He only has one side of the story so far until he formally speaks to the OP.

Maybe they will be less interested after the interview.

I imagien some of you nutters would be fuming if the Police did not take your allegations of theft seriously.

I obviously don't have a clue about such matters, but common sense to me would be for a Policeman to contact the OP and pay an informal visit to ascertain his side of events and take it from there.

As has become quite apparent throughout this thread (which was alarming), I would be very reluctant to volunteer anything to the Police without a solicitor from now on and probably end up looking more cagey than Ian Brady!

Anyway, would the CPS be interested in a stolen necklace case?

Would the Police be willing to pursue a case (against the accusers) for wasting their time if the necklace was found at the "victims" premises?

• Last sentence edited for clarity **

Edited by mildmannered on Wednesday 1st October 23:41

The Police have to comply with PACE. Having informal chats with people when they are suspected of an offence is dodgy as they may need to caution them. So I am not totally sure if having an informal chat is open to them but maybe a Police officer will confirm that.



As for yuor last 2 quetsions, one woudl HOPE the Polcie would deal with a stolen necklace, I am sure they do with individual thefts. it woudl be sa dif they didn't but of course we know they have the leave soem stuff because of lack of resources. I doubt they would pursue a false accuser. Be difficult to prove no necklace was stolen for a start!

[Mk3Spitfire]

A voluntary interview is as close to an informal chat as you should have with the suspect of an offence.

Of course cps would be interested in theft of a necklace. It's a theft. Doesn't matter what it's the theft of.

[mildmannered]

Mk3Spitfire said:

A voluntary interview is as close to an informal chat as you should have with the suspect of an offence.

Of course cps would be interested in theft of a necklace. It's a theft. Doesn't matter what it's the theft of.

So, from a simple accusation, when it is perfectly plausible to assume that the item has simply been misplaced, the Police have determined that an actual crime has taken place and the suspect should be willing to travel thirty miles for a formal interview? Would the Police then assume that the suspect is behaving in a suspicious manner by requesting a solicitor and not disclosing or volunteering information by inference?

Would the CPS be willing to grant a search warrant given the background story of unsatisfied client?

[anonymous-user]

mildmannered said:

Would the CPS be willing to grant a search warrant given the background story of unsatisfied client?

It's a court that grants warrants. I'd doubt they'd grant one from what's been described here.

[WinstonWolf]

Mk3Spitfire said:

A voluntary interview is as close to an informal chat as you should have with the suspect of an offence.

Of course cps would be interested in theft of a necklace. It's a theft. Doesn't matter what it's the theft of.

Ahem, it's an alleged theft that has mysteriously surfaced during an ongoing dispute...

[TooMany2cvs]

R1 Indy said:

If I believed someone had stolen something off me, the last thing I would do is invite them back around!

Unless, of course, the necklace will be "found" shortly after your return visit, which'd just be "more proof" that you stole it in the first place, then "returned" it because you'd been "caught"...

[anonymous-user]

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here of how the police view 'no comment' interviews and if they're are viewed as "suspicious".

Police initial interview training (when officers first start) involves bringing in legal reps who explain how they'll advise their clients. It doesn't take long before even junior officers can pick up an investigation and figure out what sort of interview they're likely to have, as they can position themselves as the legal rep.

[BlackLabel]

I'd be wary returning to her property to do any more work. She could even plant something into your bag/vehicle then accuse you of another theft.

[Eclassy]

mildmannered said:

So, from a simple accusation, when it is perfectly plausible to assume that the item has simply been misplaced, the Police have determined that an actual crime has taken place and the suspect should be willing to travel thirty miles for a formal interview? Would the Police then assume that the suspect is behaving in a suspicious manner by requesting a solicitor and not disclosing or volunteering information by inference?

Would the Magistrate be willing to grant a search warrant given the background story of unsatisfied client?

Some policemen (maybe less experienced or less intelligent) do view the request for a solicitor as meaning you have something to hide. My mate attended a police station after being accused of theft. He was questioned but he informed the officer he would only answer any questions in the presence of a solicitor. He was then arrested and locked up for circa 10 hours just to be interviewed. An interview he was happy to be part of 10 hours earlier. So much for prompt and effective investigation.

While in the nick, an S18 search was authorised by an Inspector but never carried out. I guess this was just a ploy to keep my mate in there for as long as possible to teach him a lesson for not bowing to the gods.

A magistrate shouldnt grant a search warrant in a scenario like the OPs but I think it is a rubber stamping exercise these days so if the police asked for it, they would get it. In my personal experience,the police obtained a search warrant to enter my property to look for a company which was located 200 miles away. Surely a magistrate would have spotted that.

[singlecoil]

Eclassy said:

Some policemen (maybe less experienced or less intelligent) do view the request for a solicitor as meaning you have something to hide. My mate attended a police station after being accused of theft. He was questioned but he informed the officer he would only answer any questions in the presence of a solicitor. He was then arrested and locked up for circa 10 hours just to be interviewed. An interview he was happy to be part of 10 hours earlier. So much for prompt and effective investigation.

While in the nick, an S18 search was authorised by an Inspector but never carried out. I guess this was just a ploy to keep my mate in there for as long as possible to teach him a lesson for not bowing to the gods.

A magistrate shouldnt grant a search warrant in a scenario like the OPs but I think it is a rubber stamping exercise these days so if the police asked for it, they would get it. In my personal experience,the police obtained a search warrant to enter my property to look for a company which was located 200 miles away. Surely a magistrate would have spotted that.

It would seem that you have had some negative experiences with the police. I, on the other hand, have not. I wonder why? Have I been lucky, or have you been unlucky, or is there something about you which attracts negative attention?

[selym]

singlecoil said:

Eclassy said:

Some policemen (maybe less experienced or less intelligent) do view the request for a solicitor as meaning you have something to hide. My mate attended a police station after being accused of theft. He was questioned but he informed the officer he would only answer any questions in the presence of a solicitor. He was then arrested and locked up for circa 10 hours just to be interviewed. An interview he was happy to be part of 10 hours earlier. So much for prompt and effective investigation.

While in the nick, an S18 search was authorised by an Inspector but never carried out. I guess this was just a ploy to keep my mate in there for as long as possible to teach him a lesson for not bowing to the gods.

A magistrate shouldnt grant a search warrant in a scenario like the OPs but I think it is a rubber stamping exercise these days so if the police asked for it, they would get it. In my personal experience,the police obtained a search warrant to enter my property to look for a company which was located 200 miles away. Surely a magistrate would have spotted that.

It would seem that you have had some negative experiences with the police. I, on the other hand, have not. I wonder why? Have I been lucky, or have you been unlucky, or is there something about you which attracts negative attention?

Failing the attitude test?

[Eclassy]

singlecoil said:

It would seem that you have had some negative experiences with the police. I, on the other hand, have not. I wonder why? Have I been lucky, or have you been unlucky, or is there something about you which attracts negative attention?

http://youtu.be/5lQox9pnoTA

http://youtu.be/1BlwfG34oo0

http://youtu.be/7j-ttHe25WM

http://youtu.be/p8e5XVUUi8I

http://youtu.be/dh5pDBQ10dA

Watch those videos by a law abiding citizen who decided to record some of his 3 times a month stops by the police or read Alexander Hall's story http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-ma... which he shared at the Tory conference this week and you may have a little idea of how some of us live in the UK

Edited by Eclassy on Thursday 2nd October 10:25

[Rovinghawk]

selym said:

Failing the attitude test?

Eclassy, Singlecoil or the police?

[JustinP1]

Eclassy said:

Watch those videos by a law abiding citizen who decided to record some of his 3 times a month stops by the police or read Alexander Hall's story http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-ma... which he shared at the Tory conference this week and you may have a little idea of how some of us live in the UK

That's all good. He's using his experience to become a human rights lawyer or an MP.

You just moan about your persecution on here!

[anonymous-user]

Eclassy manages to fall out with landlords, mechanics, the police and all the others he's mentioned on here. He seemingly has endless amounts of "friends" who've done similar and can provide lots of convenient, negative anecdotes when required.

It must be a society-wide conspiracy. It couldn't possibly be down to him.

[Crush]

Not anything to add really but good luck in resolving this OP, must be a horrible thing to have hanging over your head.