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anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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And no Police have ever been found to be lying to protect their own arses.

Sump

5,484 posts

167 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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What and no citizen has tried to protect their own arse?

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Sump said:
What and no citizen has tried to protect their own arse?
Oh they have, but surely in Court and not on an internet forum. What benefit does the OP get from lying to PH? I've got no beef in this fight regardless of the outcome, just voicing my opinion, thinking "aloud" as much as anything.

Silver940

3,961 posts

227 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Not sure if it's been asked, did the following police car have a camera?

The arse covering doesn't surprise me, if he gets found at fault and potentially gets some sort of conviction for his driving, likely job gone I suspect.

Edited by Silver940 on Monday 27th October 13:21

pinchmeimdreamin

9,922 posts

218 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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KungFooPanda said:
Of course its one sided as I dont know what the police have said. A part fron admitting not to having his blues on on approach to the lights and all four officers saying that they werent doing anymore than 30mph. The evidence from the black box says they were doing 80-84, then 56. Now Im not against the police, they do a difficult job but on this occasion I would like a 'you know, we messed up...sorry for the inconvenience. We accept it was our fault. Heres you no claims bonus'. Personally the whole thing stinks maybe down to the way insurance works. Im a law abiding citizen whos view of the police is now being changed due to the way this incident is panning out. There was also a slip road to his right which he could have taken to avoid me, if he'd seen me, he was in the inside lane - he should have approached in the outside line. The following police car was 60-70m behind him but he managed to go across the front of me during the accident...if you dont believe my story then I cant change that. I will be meeting with the inspector this/next week to complain about the way this has been handled.
The problem is you are only giving us the facts you want to.

Just tell us where it happened so we can see the layout for ourselves.

Its a bit strange that you have been involved in a serious RTC with an ARV and following car yet no one can find any trace of the incident on any news feed , Twitter, Facebook etc.

Eclassy

1,201 posts

122 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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OP

Dont fall for the trick to identify the junction in question or give any more details than you are prepared to. If anyone doesnt believe what you have written, then thats their problem. I have also experienced it on here where it is claimed that you are lying/not providing the full story when it doesnt paint the police in good light.

I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.

pinchmeimdreamin

9,922 posts

218 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Eclassy said:
OP

Dont fall for the trick to identify the junction in question or give any more details than you are prepared to. If anyone doesnt believe what you have written, then thats their problem. I have also experienced it on here where it is claimed that you are lying/not providing the full story when it doesnt paint the police in good light.

I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.
How is saying where it happened in any way detrimental to the OP's case ?????

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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OpulentBob said:
What benefit does the OP get from lying to PH?
I'm sure the OP believes every single word they've typed.

singlecoil

33,545 posts

246 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
Eclassy said:
OP

Dont fall for the trick to identify the junction in question or give any more details than you are prepared to. If anyone doesnt believe what you have written, then thats their problem. I have also experienced it on here where it is claimed that you are lying/not providing the full story when it doesnt paint the police in good light.

I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.
How is saying where it happened in any way detrimental to the OP's case ?????
Yes indeed, the idea that the location needs to be kept secret is absolute nonsense, and also slightly suspicious.

pinchmeimdreamin

9,922 posts

218 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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KungFooPanda said:
Of course its one sided as I dont know what the police have said. A part fron admitting not to having his blues on on approach to the lights .
KungFooPanda said:
Both police vehicles had there blue lights on but no sirens.

Elroy Blue

8,687 posts

192 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Eclassy said:
OP



I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.
Yes. There's loads of internet detectives whose sole role is to trawl the internet for evidence relating to minor RTCs. There's even keyword searches, especially relating to 'Eclassy', so they know that any report of serious assault is actually someone tapping on their window.



WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
Eclassy said:
OP

Dont fall for the trick to identify the junction in question or give any more details than you are prepared to. If anyone doesnt believe what you have written, then thats their problem. I have also experienced it on here where it is claimed that you are lying/not providing the full story when it doesnt paint the police in good light.

I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.
How is saying where it happened in any way detrimental to the OP's case ?????
It *may* prejudice any case should the matter go further.



Not aimed at anyone in particular, but there's some knob jockeys on here who wouldn't believe they had a nose on their face unless you could provide a web based link to it...

pinchmeimdreamin

9,922 posts

218 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
It *may* prejudice any case should the matter go further.
Serious question,

How could stating where the accident happened prejudice any case ?

Giving out names, Saying he was speeding/ wasn't looking/had had a drink etc I could understand, But "it happened on the Dunkirk island Nottingham" ?

sherbertdip

1,107 posts

119 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Eclassy said:
OP

Dont fall for the trick to identify the junction in question or give any more details than you are prepared to. If anyone doesnt believe what you have written, then thats their problem. I have also experienced it on here where it is claimed that you are lying/not providing the full story when it doesnt paint the police in good light.

I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.
How is saying where it happened in any way detrimental to the OP's case ?????
It *may* prejudice any case should the matter go further.



Not aimed at anyone in particular, but there's some knob jockeys on here who wouldn't believe they had a nose on their face unless you could provide a web based link to it...
If it "may" which it won't prejudice his case if he states FACTS then maybe us "knob jockeys" wouldn't need to ask for more information on a post which the OP has put in the public domain asking for comments. If he didn't want comments or questions he should keep his stories, which is what this is without facts to himself.

KungFooPanda

Original Poster:

29 posts

114 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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sherbertdip said:
WinstonWolf said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Eclassy said:
OP

Dont fall for the trick to identify the junction in question or give any more details than you are prepared to. If anyone doesnt believe what you have written, then thats their problem. I have also experienced it on here where it is claimed that you are lying/not providing the full story when it doesnt paint the police in good light.

I believe these boards are monitored by the powers that be so do not provide any information that may be detrimental to your case.
How is saying where it happened in any way detrimental to the OP's case ?????
It *may* prejudice any case should the matter go further.



Not aimed at anyone in particular, but there's some knob jockeys on here who wouldn't believe they had a nose on their face unless you could provide a web based link to it...
If it "may" which it won't prejudice his case if he states FACTS then maybe us "knob jockeys" wouldn't need to ask for more information on a post which the OP has put in the public domain asking for comments. If he didn't want comments or questions he should keep his stories, which is what this is without facts to himself.
First of all I came on here to ask for advice of how to approach the matter from my point of view. I’ve told my story and wanted advice based on that. All the speeds/timings/actions of the police car have been given to me by the police from the IDR and believe me I’d rather not be in this position. Some of you have given valuable advice which I have taken…but like all forums there are some comments I don’t understand such as he’s talking BS, he’s lying etc.
Why this didn’t show up in the news I have no idea. There were another two BiB/public collisions within 4 days and both of them did hit the local rag. Maybe this is a question I can ask the Inspector when we meet.
Based on the evidence I’ve gathered and the witness report, I believe when this goes to court, and I will ensure that it does if needed, that the BiB that caused this accident will go down the same route as the ambulance driver mentioned earlier. It’s a route I don’t want to take but if forced I will and I will go to the media. Being a police officer doesn’t mean you can defy the laws of physics, it will still take the BiB the same distance to stop as it would a civilian, whether he has blue lights or not. I find it disgraceful that this can happen, all involved get a slap on the wrist and then its handed over to their insurance/ legal team who then carry out a damage control exercise to ensure the police lose as little face as possible, regardless of the facts.
I also received a phone call earlier from a friend, who has a police officer friend who is apparently on here and has been reading this. He has suggested that I no longer carry on with this thread but give an update when it’s done. I’ve decided to take his advice and for those that are genuinely interested in the outcome I will update when the verdict is out.
Again, thanks for some great advice, some of it from police officers.

B'stard Child

28,373 posts

246 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Bookmarked for then

jfbrin

415 posts

172 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Sensible course of action KFP.
It's a matter of principle.
Good luck with your case.

Elroy Blue

8,687 posts

192 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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KungFooPanda said:
I believe when this goes to court, and I will ensure that it does if needed, that the BiB that caused this accident will go down the same route as the ambulance driver mentioned earlier.
There was me thinking it was the CPS that decided if things went to court. I've been doing it wrong all these years.

Jasandjules

69,869 posts

229 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Elroy Blue said:
There was me thinking it was the CPS that decided if things went to court. I've been doing it wrong all these years.
He may be referring to a civil claim for his NCB and injuries etc.

Bigends

5,415 posts

128 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Elroy Blue said:
KungFooPanda said:
I believe when this goes to court, and I will ensure that it does if needed, that the BiB that caused this accident will go down the same route as the ambulance driver mentioned earlier.
There was me thinking it was the CPS that decided if things went to court. I've been doing it wrong all these years.
Police make charging decisions on around 80% of all cases now