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Spitfire2 said:
ferrariF50lover said:
I've never been in this situation from your side, but I've done similar from the policeman's.
Do you mind awfully if I ask why you stopped? If your scenario is as it seems by your description, you were in the path of an oncoming car and your reaction was to stop dead, ensuring that you remained in its path, rather than accelerating out of the way (or at least attempting to).
Was it a conscious decision, or did you just hit the brake by default?
I'm not taking the piss, you did what you did and that's an end to it, I'm trying to understand why those couple of odd people who have done to me similar in the past have done so. I can't ask them, so I'm asking you.
Simon.
As it was the front of his car that was hit, not stopping could have been a decision which killed him (were he hit in the door instead). Do you mind awfully if I ask why you stopped? If your scenario is as it seems by your description, you were in the path of an oncoming car and your reaction was to stop dead, ensuring that you remained in its path, rather than accelerating out of the way (or at least attempting to).
Was it a conscious decision, or did you just hit the brake by default?
I'm not taking the piss, you did what you did and that's an end to it, I'm trying to understand why those couple of odd people who have done to me similar in the past have done so. I can't ask them, so I'm asking you.
Simon.
KungFooPanda2 said:
Final Update – apologies for the name change to KungFooPanda2 but PH has blocked my KungFooPanda logon
After the my solicitor had sent me the Griffin vs Merseyside Ambulance case law, the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 and an offer of 60/40 in favour of the police I saw my arse big time. Spurred on by some of your comments, especially Jiths, I decided I would fight it all the way.
I read the case law and decided it had no bearing on my case whatsoever. I read more case law and came across ‘Purdue v Devon Fire and Rescue Services 2002’. I replied to my solicitor explaining that this was her job not mine and I was not happy with her performance and unless she pulled her finger out I would report her to the ombudsman! I asked her to reply to the Police Solicitor with the Purdue v Devon case law, data from the recorder of the ARV, overviews from google (which had stopping distances overlaid on it) and photos of the junction in the rain that I had took.
To cut a long story short about a month after that they accepted full liability. A court day was scheduled for June 2016 but they have just sent a Part36 offer and settled out of court.
It was a long haul but worth it. I was paid damages, costs and my no claims is intact (which is all I really wanted). If you believe you are in the right, fight your corner and remember that all they look at is minimising costs no matter what the truth is. I hope it doesn’t have any impact on the police officers career as he probably is a good officer but on this occasion he made an error. Maybe next time he can just put up his hand. We are only human.
For those who supported me thank you.
So glad to hear this, After the my solicitor had sent me the Griffin vs Merseyside Ambulance case law, the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 and an offer of 60/40 in favour of the police I saw my arse big time. Spurred on by some of your comments, especially Jiths, I decided I would fight it all the way.
I read the case law and decided it had no bearing on my case whatsoever. I read more case law and came across ‘Purdue v Devon Fire and Rescue Services 2002’. I replied to my solicitor explaining that this was her job not mine and I was not happy with her performance and unless she pulled her finger out I would report her to the ombudsman! I asked her to reply to the Police Solicitor with the Purdue v Devon case law, data from the recorder of the ARV, overviews from google (which had stopping distances overlaid on it) and photos of the junction in the rain that I had took.
To cut a long story short about a month after that they accepted full liability. A court day was scheduled for June 2016 but they have just sent a Part36 offer and settled out of court.
It was a long haul but worth it. I was paid damages, costs and my no claims is intact (which is all I really wanted). If you believe you are in the right, fight your corner and remember that all they look at is minimising costs no matter what the truth is. I hope it doesn’t have any impact on the police officers career as he probably is a good officer but on this occasion he made an error. Maybe next time he can just put up his hand. We are only human.
For those who supported me thank you.
B'stard Child said:
coopedup said:
hunton69 said:
Looking forward to 2cvs comment
Could be interesting 
matchmaker said:
B'stard Child said:
coopedup said:
hunton69 said:
Looking forward to 2cvs comment
Could be interesting not like it used to be in hereGood result OP.
Police dishonesty is something I have noticed quite a few times. Most notably when I witnessed a police officer trying to start a fight with someone (kept pushing him in the road and calling him a
for absolutely no reason), and more recently where an officer tried to accuse me of running a red light, even though he couldn't see me.
As with anything, there are bad eggs of course. However, the police are in a position of power and when they are dishonest, it can be difficult to prove otherwise. I know you said you didn't wish anything bad on the officer. However, I do feel that any police person found out to be dishonest and a liar should be sacked immediately. We simply cannot allow people like that to hold a position of such responsibility.
To anyone who questioned the OP in such a negative fashion, show us if you have any balls by apologising.
Police dishonesty is something I have noticed quite a few times. Most notably when I witnessed a police officer trying to start a fight with someone (kept pushing him in the road and calling him a
for absolutely no reason), and more recently where an officer tried to accuse me of running a red light, even though he couldn't see me.As with anything, there are bad eggs of course. However, the police are in a position of power and when they are dishonest, it can be difficult to prove otherwise. I know you said you didn't wish anything bad on the officer. However, I do feel that any police person found out to be dishonest and a liar should be sacked immediately. We simply cannot allow people like that to hold a position of such responsibility.
To anyone who questioned the OP in such a negative fashion, show us if you have any balls by apologising.
KungFooPanda2 said:
It was a long haul but worth it. I was paid damages, costs and my no claims is intact (which is all I really wanted). If you believe you are in the right, fight your corner and remember that all they look at is minimising costs no matter what the truth is.
Great news. I'd also agree - always fight - if you are right do all you can to prove it, not just for the money but on principle. Cooperman said:
It's a long wait for '2cvs' apology!
<shrug> That'll be because I've only just seen the post. Terribly sorry for inconveniencing you - I do hope you weren't holding your breath all that time.Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
For those who are saying I was "victim blaming" - re-read the thread, like I've just done. All I did was look at the OP's own words and do some sums from the times mentioned. If anybody's got a problem with what I actually wrote, any half-decent cross-examination from t'other side in court would have them wearing some very heavily soiled trousers in seconds flat.
TooMany2cvs said:
Cooperman said:
It's a long wait for '2cvs' apology!
<shrug> That'll be because I've only just seen the post. Terribly sorry for inconveniencing you - I do hope you weren't holding your breath all that time.Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
For those who are saying I was "victim blaming" - re-read the thread, like I've just done. All I did was look at the OP's own words and do some sums from the times mentioned. If anybody's got a problem with what I actually wrote, any half-decent cross-examination from t'other side in court would have them wearing some very heavily soiled trousers in seconds flat.
TooMany2cvs said:
Cooperman said:
It's a long wait for '2cvs' apology!
<shrug> That'll be because I've only just seen the post. Terribly sorry for inconveniencing you - I do hope you weren't holding your breath all that time.Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
For those who are saying I was "victim blaming" - re-read the thread, like I've just done. All I did was look at the OP's own words and do some sums from the times mentioned. If anybody's got a problem with what I actually wrote, any half-decent cross-examination from t'other side in court would have them wearing some very heavily soiled trousers in seconds flat.
TooMany2cvs said:
<shrug> That'll be because I've only just seen the post. Terribly sorry for inconveniencing you - I do hope you weren't holding your breath all that time.
Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
For those who are saying I was "victim blaming" - re-read the thread, like I've just done. All I did was look at the OP's own words and do some sums from the times mentioned. If anybody's got a problem with what I actually wrote, any half-decent cross-examination from t'other side in court would have them wearing some very heavily soiled trousers in seconds flat.
Your quote sticking by your story just about sums up what's wrong with our legal system. Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
For those who are saying I was "victim blaming" - re-read the thread, like I've just done. All I did was look at the OP's own words and do some sums from the times mentioned. If anybody's got a problem with what I actually wrote, any half-decent cross-examination from t'other side in court would have them wearing some very heavily soiled trousers in seconds flat.
He told the facts in this case not a story
When he went through the green light he had 2 choices to make in milliseconds brake or accelerate natural instinct would be to brake. either way he did nothing wrong.
any how I need some advice on my new build the 60 grand windows are the wrong size.
Edited by hunton69 on Monday 25th April 06:16
This is a great result OP. This kind of experience can teach you a lot about life and should make you stronger if you handle it well, as indeed you did.
Sadly, my personal experience tells me that standards in the police are seriously degraded when it comes to driving. More officers than ever before are driving police vehicles and are not properly trained or experienced enough to do so at high speed or in pursuit situations, yet an exemption exists in law that permits them to exceed speed limits by virtue of the uniform they wear, not their ability. This is desperately wrong and, in light of this very incident, is clearly dangerous.
The real fix here would be to go back to the "good old days" when emergency drivers were seriously well trained and also displayed a mentality that involved pride in their driving and the care of, and interest in, the vehicles they drove. We all know of course, this is not going to happen unless there is a revolution in this country. There is no doubt that the police, in harmony with many other public services, are seriously underfunded: all the more reason that the resources they have are utilised to the best advantage.
As I said before, it should be mandatory for all emergency vehicles involved in either a shout or a high speed pursuit to use blues and twos; and this is particularly applicable to unmarked vehicles, as the average driver is unaware that the vehicle is a police vehicle and is making seriously good progress.
It doesn't take a lot if imagination to conclude that the outcome of the collision for the OP could have been much, much worse. Being T boned is the most dangerous accident as the driver's door area offers the least protection in the vehicle in an impact.
Lastly, I joined this site many years ago with the intention of doing just what I did on this post. I have watched certain posters on this particular forum degenerate into a disgraceful collection of insulting and ignorant individuals who seem to delight in the humiliation of others, rather than helping with their own knowledge and experience.
I withdrew after a personal attack on myself involving at least 2 of the posters on this thread that terminated in me, for the first time, reporting the incident to the mods. This was because the language used had actually reached the point of being personally defamatory and the mods wisely deleted the whole post.
It is a sad day when people behave like this and it serves no useful purpose other than to ruin what can otherwise be a really productive and helpful forum. I don't come on here for a laugh as there are some aspects of life that are simply not funny and have to be taken very seriously. For me injustice is top of the list, I don't care how apparently insignificant it seems and I will help anyone to fight this if I have the ability to do so.
So please show a bit of respect for others and try and help rather than insult. As my old dad used to say, "There's no substitute for experience!" So when those who have that experience impart it to others, you should listen, not insult.
J
Sadly, my personal experience tells me that standards in the police are seriously degraded when it comes to driving. More officers than ever before are driving police vehicles and are not properly trained or experienced enough to do so at high speed or in pursuit situations, yet an exemption exists in law that permits them to exceed speed limits by virtue of the uniform they wear, not their ability. This is desperately wrong and, in light of this very incident, is clearly dangerous.
The real fix here would be to go back to the "good old days" when emergency drivers were seriously well trained and also displayed a mentality that involved pride in their driving and the care of, and interest in, the vehicles they drove. We all know of course, this is not going to happen unless there is a revolution in this country. There is no doubt that the police, in harmony with many other public services, are seriously underfunded: all the more reason that the resources they have are utilised to the best advantage.
As I said before, it should be mandatory for all emergency vehicles involved in either a shout or a high speed pursuit to use blues and twos; and this is particularly applicable to unmarked vehicles, as the average driver is unaware that the vehicle is a police vehicle and is making seriously good progress.
It doesn't take a lot if imagination to conclude that the outcome of the collision for the OP could have been much, much worse. Being T boned is the most dangerous accident as the driver's door area offers the least protection in the vehicle in an impact.
Lastly, I joined this site many years ago with the intention of doing just what I did on this post. I have watched certain posters on this particular forum degenerate into a disgraceful collection of insulting and ignorant individuals who seem to delight in the humiliation of others, rather than helping with their own knowledge and experience.
I withdrew after a personal attack on myself involving at least 2 of the posters on this thread that terminated in me, for the first time, reporting the incident to the mods. This was because the language used had actually reached the point of being personally defamatory and the mods wisely deleted the whole post.
It is a sad day when people behave like this and it serves no useful purpose other than to ruin what can otherwise be a really productive and helpful forum. I don't come on here for a laugh as there are some aspects of life that are simply not funny and have to be taken very seriously. For me injustice is top of the list, I don't care how apparently insignificant it seems and I will help anyone to fight this if I have the ability to do so.
So please show a bit of respect for others and try and help rather than insult. As my old dad used to say, "There's no substitute for experience!" So when those who have that experience impart it to others, you should listen, not insult.
J
hunton69 said:
Your quote sticking by your story just about sums up what's wrong with our legal system.
He told the facts in this case not a story
You know what they say about the facts - there are always three sets. My set, your set, and the truth.He told the facts in this case not a story
If any story given is blithely accepted at face value, what happens when there's a completely different story from somebody else? And there will be. It's just that, here, we only get one side.
TooMany2cvs said:
You know what they say about the facts - there are always three sets. My set, your set, and the truth.
Wriggling much? It should be patently obvious that in any situation, the truth may very match one side or the other 100%. In this case, you now have evidence of which side of the story the truth actually matches. And still you won't apologise. I'd like to think that this thread and its outcome would inform you in the future, and you won't simply attack OPs out of blind scepticism. But there's something about your posting manners that suggests I shouldn't hold my breath.
jith said:
This is a great result OP. This kind of experience can teach you a lot about life and should make you stronger if you handle it well, as indeed you did.
Sadly, my personal experience tells me that standards in the police are seriously degraded when it comes to driving. More officers than ever before are driving police vehicles and are not properly trained or experienced enough to do so at high speed or in pursuit situations, yet an exemption exists in law that permits them to exceed speed limits by virtue of the uniform they wear, not their ability. This is desperately wrong and, in light of this very incident, is clearly dangerous.
The real fix here would be to go back to the "good old days" when emergency drivers were seriously well trained and also displayed a mentality that involved pride in their driving and the care of, and interest in, the vehicles they drove. We all know of course, this is not going to happen unless there is a revolution in this country. There is no doubt that the police, in harmony with many other public services, are seriously underfunded: all the more reason that the resources they have are utilised to the best advantage.
As I said before, it should be mandatory for all emergency vehicles involved in either a shout or a high speed pursuit to use blues and twos; and this is particularly applicable to unmarked vehicles, as the average driver is unaware that the vehicle is a police vehicle and is making seriously good progress.
It doesn't take a lot if imagination to conclude that the outcome of the collision for the OP could have been much, much worse. Being T boned is the most dangerous accident as the driver's door area offers the least protection in the vehicle in an impact.
Lastly, I joined this site many years ago with the intention of doing just what I did on this post. I have watched certain posters on this particular forum degenerate into a disgraceful collection of insulting and ignorant individuals who seem to delight in the humiliation of others, rather than helping with their own knowledge and experience.
I withdrew after a personal attack on myself involving at least 2 of the posters on this thread that terminated in me, for the first time, reporting the incident to the mods. This was because the language used had actually reached the point of being personally defamatory and the mods wisely deleted the whole post.
It is a sad day when people behave like this and it serves no useful purpose other than to ruin what can otherwise be a really productive and helpful forum. I don't come on here for a laugh as there are some aspects of life that are simply not funny and have to be taken very seriously. For me injustice is top of the list, I don't care how apparently insignificant it seems and I will help anyone to fight this if I have the ability to do so.
So please show a bit of respect for others and try and help rather than insult. As my old dad used to say, "There's no substitute for experience!" So when those who have that experience impart it to others, you should listen, not insult.
J
We obviously don't have a 'like' button on these forums but your post sums up all that is good about PH but unfortunately also shows up the bad for what it is.Sadly, my personal experience tells me that standards in the police are seriously degraded when it comes to driving. More officers than ever before are driving police vehicles and are not properly trained or experienced enough to do so at high speed or in pursuit situations, yet an exemption exists in law that permits them to exceed speed limits by virtue of the uniform they wear, not their ability. This is desperately wrong and, in light of this very incident, is clearly dangerous.
The real fix here would be to go back to the "good old days" when emergency drivers were seriously well trained and also displayed a mentality that involved pride in their driving and the care of, and interest in, the vehicles they drove. We all know of course, this is not going to happen unless there is a revolution in this country. There is no doubt that the police, in harmony with many other public services, are seriously underfunded: all the more reason that the resources they have are utilised to the best advantage.
As I said before, it should be mandatory for all emergency vehicles involved in either a shout or a high speed pursuit to use blues and twos; and this is particularly applicable to unmarked vehicles, as the average driver is unaware that the vehicle is a police vehicle and is making seriously good progress.
It doesn't take a lot if imagination to conclude that the outcome of the collision for the OP could have been much, much worse. Being T boned is the most dangerous accident as the driver's door area offers the least protection in the vehicle in an impact.
Lastly, I joined this site many years ago with the intention of doing just what I did on this post. I have watched certain posters on this particular forum degenerate into a disgraceful collection of insulting and ignorant individuals who seem to delight in the humiliation of others, rather than helping with their own knowledge and experience.
I withdrew after a personal attack on myself involving at least 2 of the posters on this thread that terminated in me, for the first time, reporting the incident to the mods. This was because the language used had actually reached the point of being personally defamatory and the mods wisely deleted the whole post.
It is a sad day when people behave like this and it serves no useful purpose other than to ruin what can otherwise be a really productive and helpful forum. I don't come on here for a laugh as there are some aspects of life that are simply not funny and have to be taken very seriously. For me injustice is top of the list, I don't care how apparently insignificant it seems and I will help anyone to fight this if I have the ability to do so.
So please show a bit of respect for others and try and help rather than insult. As my old dad used to say, "There's no substitute for experience!" So when those who have that experience impart it to others, you should listen, not insult.
J
Escapegoat said:
Wriggling much?
...
And still you won't apologise.
Would you rather I said something like......
And still you won't apologise.
TooMany2cvs said:
Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
...?Oh, wait. I did. <points up>
Escapegoat said:
It should be patently obvious that in any situation, the truth may very match one side or the other 100%.
It may. Or it may be somewhere in the middle.Escapegoat said:
In this case, you now have evidence of which side of the story the truth actually matches.
Or the police's insurer have decided it's cheaper to settle than fight. We will never know.Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 25th April 11:40
TooMany2cvs said:
Would you rather I said something like...
Oh, wait. I did. <points up>
Do explain which bit of that is an apology, for those of us yet to reach your level of intelligence.TooMany2cvs said:
Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
...?Oh, wait. I did. <points up>
You knew exactly what you were saying with the story line and it's just another example of you being a cock. But then you love the attention.
hornetrider said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Would you rather I said something like...
Oh, wait. I did. <points up>
Do explain which bit of that is an apology, for those of us yet to reach your level of intelligence.TooMany2cvs said:
Good work, OP, and congratulations for sticking by your story. A great result.
...?Oh, wait. I did. <points up>
You knew exactly what you were saying with the story line and it's just another example of you being a cock. But then you love the attention.
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