Do you Speed (or mums net has taken over the asylum )
Discussion
Dammit said:
At the risk of interrupting the circle jerk before it becomes a tornado of self congratulatory jizm, what other laws do people ignore on a daily basis?
I think speed laws are rather unique, in that they are routinely broken by some, sometimes broken by the vast majority, and almost broken by the rest.It's the only law I can think of which requires a degree of effort and vigilance over and above what's required to safely go about one's daily business, simply to ensure compliance with.
It's like being forced to stoop down at all times, in case you encounter a low doorway.
Edited by Phatboy317 on Tuesday 14th October 07:54
The risk is that even if you're not at fault, if you're doing excess speed and a collision then you may have culpability.
"Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
"Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
superlucent said:
I'm with you all the way OP. I drive safely, with good observation and in a well maintained car. I exceed most speed limits all day, every day. Not by much (most of the time). I stand by my driving and insurance record.
Most Speed Limits appear to be set at the 85% percentile then rounded down.
Not trolling,straight up. I decide what is my best speed to ensure my own safety and other road users (and to avoid prosecution). BRAKE, Safety Partnerships etc. can flog off.
^^^^^^^What he said Most Speed Limits appear to be set at the 85% percentile then rounded down.
Not trolling,straight up. I decide what is my best speed to ensure my own safety and other road users (and to avoid prosecution). BRAKE, Safety Partnerships etc. can flog off.
ianwayne said:
Speeding in a hgv is even worse. In the weather today, hgvs were still driving 10 feet off the bumper of cars on the M6. Madness. The new over gantry speed limits seem to be optional for many drivers. Maybe the cameras on them haven't caught many yet?
What has speeding got to do with tailgating? That's right...NOTHING.I stick to speed limits in towns and cities, past schools etc. NSL/Motorway is a different story.
i drive a diesel land rover, i dream of being pulled for speeding 
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the wifes car however is a licence killer, but i've managed so far to not go too mad so i haven't been done.
i have been pulled for speeding twice, both times, i've looked at the floor, said yes sir, no sir in the right places and been told off and sent on my way.
the 2nd time especially was embarrassing as it was 1am on Southend seafront and they pulled me right outside a pub that had a live band and extension on it's licence that night. i guessed they thought 200 people laughing at me and calling out 'arrest him officer he's been a very naughty boy' was punishment enough
.the wifes car however is a licence killer, but i've managed so far to not go too mad so i haven't been done.
i have been pulled for speeding twice, both times, i've looked at the floor, said yes sir, no sir in the right places and been told off and sent on my way.
the 2nd time especially was embarrassing as it was 1am on Southend seafront and they pulled me right outside a pub that had a live band and extension on it's licence that night. i guessed they thought 200 people laughing at me and calling out 'arrest him officer he's been a very naughty boy' was punishment enough
It's unfortunate that the Oxford Dictionary defines speeding as "to travel in excess of a speed limit". Because as we all know there is the act of exceeding the speed limit and then there is careless, reckless and dangerous use of speed as practised by a very small minority that so often ends in somebody's tears.
Do I speed? Of course, apparently. Do I drive at careless, reckless and dangerous speeds? Of course not. There are of course extremists who would say that anything in excess of the speed limit is careless, reckless and dangerous however I don't share their views.
Do I speed? Of course, apparently. Do I drive at careless, reckless and dangerous speeds? Of course not. There are of course extremists who would say that anything in excess of the speed limit is careless, reckless and dangerous however I don't share their views.
La Liga said:
The risk is that even if you're not at fault, if you're doing excess speed and a collision then you may have culpability.
If I have an accident because I am travelling too fast to avoid it then it is at least partially my fault as I failed to assess the conditions correctly. I'd be more than happy if exceeding the posted speed for a road meant that you accepted a higher responsibility for the consequences if doing so did not mean an automatic offence. Please accept that this is a simplistic way of putting it without going into a myriad of possible scenarios.La Liga said:
"Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
If I fail to spot the cyclist/pedestrian/car/moped or fail to allow that it is possible for something to move into my path without being able to avoid or at least mitigate a collision then I am at least partially at fault. This includes when travelling below the speed limit, but clearly too fast for the conditions.La Liga said:
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
It isn't about arriving early, it is performing a task at a sustainable level within your abilities allowing for other factors like fuel consumption, fatigue and not annoying other people. When I used to cycle a lot I rode at a speed consistent with reaching my goal as efficiently as possible, sometimes that meant getting to work without having a sweaty crotch and sometimes it meant getting through my front door with muscles like wet spaghetti. La Liga said:
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
Barring some urban roads, poor weather conditions and Devon like lanes most limits feel slow to me too. I mainly obey them though as going faster while watching for camera vans over any extended period is tiring, stressful and spoils the flow. I'll set the cruise to 75mph on a quiet motorway and play observation and timing games to keep myself occupied. It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
VinceFox said:
30 in a 30, 20 in a 20. Everything else at my discretion.
+1!there's a smooth, dual carridgeway pointless limited to 40, then 50, then 30, then 40 and I pootle up there at 55 most morning, and about 50 the other way (single carridgeway the other way, bus lane -.-
I often overtake a dozen or so cars put often get overtaken myself, but never have I once been in a situation where I've had to emergency stop, or even felt remotely vulnerable because I look ahead, even with the speed camera on the road I still only have to lift off for 200yrds and I go through it at speed limit. If it's pissing down with rain, I slow accordingly.
But there are other roads which are NSL's where I'll only do 40/50 because of how narrow it is and how twisty and blind a lot of it is.
La Liga said:
The risk is that even if you're not at fault, if you're doing excess speed and a collision then you may have culpability.
"Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
You don't have an interest in cars. You have an interest in spouting your rubbish to encourage a reaction whenever possible. You remind me of that awful bigoted family in the US that stand by the side of the road telling non-believers they are going to hell. Insufferable bell end."Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
VinceFox said:
30 in a 30, 20 in a 20. Everything else at my discretion.
I'd agree except I'd add "where it's justified" after the first bit. We have some bat s
t mental 30 limits round here (like an arrow straight, once-a-B-road between two villages a mile apart with not a single dwelling on). They are universally ignored. VonSenger said:
La Liga said:
The risk is that even if you're not at fault, if you're doing excess speed and a collision then you may have culpability.
"Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
You don't have an interest in cars. You have an interest in spouting your rubbish to encourage a reaction whenever possible. You remind me of that awful bigoted family in the US that stand by the side of the road telling non-believers they are going to hell. Insufferable bell end."Driving to the conditions" with the correct braking distance is all well and good, but when a cyclist (who is totally at fault) doesn't look correctly and cycles out in front of you, you don't want to be found by the collision investigators to be going too much over the speed limit. Think of that what you will, but that is the risk.
The public roads are there to facilitate mass-transport for the majority who see driving as getting from A to B. They're not there for the minority who wish to arrive at their destination a minute or so earlier through travelling faster.
Does travelling 70 on the motorway feel slow? Absolutely. Nearly all speed limits feel slow to me because I'm used to regularly going through them and negotiating traffic, junctions and other hazards much more quickly. It's sometimes hard work not going faster. Is that all the same for most road users? Probably not.
It's easy to forget those of us with interests in cars are a statistical minority on the roads.
Zod said:
I really think you have got him wrong.
Having been a member of PH for sometime, I can assure you Im not alone in being fed up of him spouting his righteous b*llst. I try to ignore it, but at times it just gets too much.Life isn't as cut and dry as this moron likes to depict. People are different, circumstances are different. That's life. Unlike the view he takes, which is black and white, indicative of his chosen career. Robot.
Johnnytheboy said:
VinceFox said:
30 in a 30, 20 in a 20. Everything else at my discretion.
I'd agree except I'd add "where it's justified" after the first bit. We have some bat s
t mental 30 limits round here (like an arrow straight, once-a-B-road between two villages a mile apart with not a single dwelling on). They are universally ignored. If you plan on adhering to that ALL THE TIME, then please don't visit Vince, it's truly maddening to be stuck behind one of these types on a perfectly clear road.
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