Car vs Motorbike - whose 'fault' in this collision?
Discussion
I think motorbike.
Both cars (red and camera car) had allowed the other car out and he was edging forward cautiously. Motorbike rider has zero observation, is filtering too fast I think and travelling on the wrong side of the road.
I know (hope) I wouldnt ride like that. Started riding when I was well over 30 so I'd like to think I'd ride smarter and safer than this cyclist.
Not too different from the Harry crash.
Can you add a poll? We already have 3 different answers.
Both cars (red and camera car) had allowed the other car out and he was edging forward cautiously. Motorbike rider has zero observation, is filtering too fast I think and travelling on the wrong side of the road.
I know (hope) I wouldnt ride like that. Started riding when I was well over 30 so I'd like to think I'd ride smarter and safer than this cyclist.
Not too different from the Harry crash.
Can you add a poll? We already have 3 different answers.
Edited by Eclassy on Thursday 16th October 15:35
Edited by Eclassy on Thursday 16th October 15:37
hornetrider said:
Motorbike perfectly entitled to be doing what he's doing. Poor observation from car driver pulling into the opposite carriageway. Car driver even had advance warning as another bike went past 2 seconds prior. 
Car at fault.
Bike is filtering far too quickly for the conditions. He should be aware that there are side roads, from which cars could be pulling out. He should also have been able to observe that the car giving way had stopped, and been prepared for a vehicle/pedestrian.Car at fault.
I know that stretch of road and it is not an easy one to get out the parkings.
From what I see both. The bike was possibly a little fast and not considering the other risks on the road and the driver for not looking both sides while attempting to exit the parking.
What would have been easier is to exit on the low of the traffic and then at the next roundabout come back. Easier and safer.
From what I see both. The bike was possibly a little fast and not considering the other risks on the road and the driver for not looking both sides while attempting to exit the parking.
What would have been easier is to exit on the low of the traffic and then at the next roundabout come back. Easier and safer.
boyse7en said:
hornetrider said:
Motorbike perfectly entitled to be doing what he's doing. Poor observation from car driver pulling into the opposite carriageway. Car driver even had advance warning as another bike went past 2 seconds prior.
Car at fault.
Bike is filtering far too quickly for the conditions. He should be aware that there are side roads, from which cars could be pulling out. He should also have been able to observe that the car giving way had stopped, and been prepared for a vehicle/pedestrian.Car at fault.
From and insurance point of view I'd say 80/20 Car to Bike.
The car was being cautious pulling out but failed to look right as emerging, the biker should be taking extra care whilst filtering past queing traffic with exits from the left along the road.
That first biker was asking for someone to pull out on him too going at that speed past traffic like that, nobber.
ETA; Does a road divisoin like that mean; you may enter the 'area' or other side of the road but extra care must be taken when doing so as it is effectively broken line chevrons ? There isn't a decent descrition of that marking in the HC I can see.
The car was being cautious pulling out but failed to look right as emerging, the biker should be taking extra care whilst filtering past queing traffic with exits from the left along the road.
That first biker was asking for someone to pull out on him too going at that speed past traffic like that, nobber.
ETA; Does a road divisoin like that mean; you may enter the 'area' or other side of the road but extra care must be taken when doing so as it is effectively broken line chevrons ? There isn't a decent descrition of that marking in the HC I can see.
Edited by Jimmyarm on Thursday 16th October 16:59
What is considered filtering vs overtaking. I thought the distinction was made for bikes because filtering was moving between traffic rather than overtaking it (essentially a legal undertake/pass on the left).
IMO the bikes manoeuvre was an overtake - not a filter since he was on the right of all traffic and on the opposite carriageway.
If that is the case - the bike should not have been overtaking where it was (i.e. in a queue of traffic). The bike could have anticipated that the reason the cars had stopped was to let traffic out of a side road. The priority for the car is to check traffic approaching from the left (i.e. on the carriageway the car was intending to occupy).
Even had the driver looked - there was no way he could have seen the bike in time as it was obscured by the other traffic in the same lane as the camera car.
IMO the bike was primarily at fault here, an unwise overtake, poor anticipation/observation and travelling far too fast.
IMO the bikes manoeuvre was an overtake - not a filter since he was on the right of all traffic and on the opposite carriageway.
If that is the case - the bike should not have been overtaking where it was (i.e. in a queue of traffic). The bike could have anticipated that the reason the cars had stopped was to let traffic out of a side road. The priority for the car is to check traffic approaching from the left (i.e. on the carriageway the car was intending to occupy).
Even had the driver looked - there was no way he could have seen the bike in time as it was obscured by the other traffic in the same lane as the camera car.
IMO the bike was primarily at fault here, an unwise overtake, poor anticipation/observation and travelling far too fast.
I've been a biker for 20 years but I would say the bike is predominatly at fault. Filtering is legal but you have to do it defensivly, just like all riding in traffic. If he had been looking ahead he would have seen a gap opening up between the camera car and grey Focus and asked himself why?
Despite that his speed apears to be far to high, it looks like he thankfully got away with it this time.
Despite that his speed apears to be far to high, it looks like he thankfully got away with it this time.
Tribal Chestnut said:
Wasn't this done to death a few days ago?
Keep up George.
Apologies, as per here:Keep up George.
750turbo said:
Mods, kindly lock this thread. 
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