Speeding Does Not Cause Accidents

[Phatboy317]

Dammit said:

I think it would be more accurate to say that you can't see how these things are related.

That aside, I think we made some progress with your understanding of some of the basics before you flounced.

Get a mirror.

[Jon1967x]

Phatboy317 said:

Jon1967x said:

273,211 people won a prize on Lotto last night.

...but not the jackpot.

And I only posted this reply because your comment is such a good example of the misrepresentation I just mentioned.

Please please go away. Your arguments go in circles, you cherry pick when you want to, when we provide proof for a point your try and change the subject, you don't seem to have a single person who agrees with your line of debate, when rattled you threaten to leave but then come straight back with pointless taunts. If you have a valid point you've not been able to express it - if its not in conflict with the points of others then don't argue against these other points. But you do argue so you must disagree with the points we make despite the arguments put forward and absurdly you yourself agree with them at times only to argue against it the next post.

If the moderators or the OP had any sense they'd ask for this thread to be closed.

[Dammit]

Phatboy317 said:

Get a mirror.

If I look in the mirror 1 second before it cracks do I avoid the bad luck?

[emmaT2014]

Dammit said:

Phatboy317 said:

Get a mirror.

If I look in the mirror 1 second before it cracks do I avoid the bad luck?

If you had a superfluous second.

[OTBC]

Mill Wheel said:

...and yet all too often the reaction to counter collisions OF ANY CAUSE is to cut speed limits.
A good example of this were the accidents used by SCPs to justify speed cameras, where even a driver having a heart attack at the wheel and driving off the road to end up upside down in a ditch was used to qualify a site for speed enforcement revenue collection!

Where exactly are you claiming that a camera was sited after a driver had a heart attack?

[blueg33]

OTBC said:

Mill Wheel said:

...and yet all too often the reaction to counter collisions OF ANY CAUSE is to cut speed limits.
A good example of this were the accidents used by SCPs to justify speed cameras, where even a driver having a heart attack at the wheel and driving off the road to end up upside down in a ditch was used to qualify a site for speed enforcement revenue collection!

Where exactly are you claiming that a camera was sited after a driver had a heart attack?

T ws a similar and well reported one in Wiltshire, where a pedestrain fell from a bridge and that was added to the stats to justify a speed camera.

[OTBC]

If they were well reported I expect there's a link.

[blueg33]

OTBC said:

If they were well reported I expect there's a link.

I am sure you have access to google

[singlecoil]

blueg33 said:

OTBC said:

If they were well reported I expect there's a link.

I am sure you have access to google

Always amusing when someone telling a slightly unlikely sounding story to illustrate a point they are making expects others to search for confirmation

Edited by singlecoil on Monday 27th October 17:05

[OTBC]

That's why i asked. Nothing on google, so i call yet more speedophile lies.

[blueg33]

OTBC said:

That's why i asked. Nothing on google, so i call yet more speedophile lies.

You havent looked hard enough. Its come from an FOI request and even has a thread on PH, as well as many other places

[blueg33]

singlecoil said:

blueg33 said:

OTBC said:

If they were well reported I expect there's a link.

I am sure you have access to google

Always amusing when someone telling a slightly unlikely sounding story to illustrate a point they are making expects others to search for confirmation

Edited by singlecoil on Monday 27th October 17:05

was busy

But its not hard to find

It always amuses me when someone can't be arsed to use google but will spout for days on end on this type of thread.

Anyway for the internet illiterate, here is the first hit

linky

Edited by blueg33 on Monday 27th October 18:05

[OTBC]

That link is to an unattributed, unsourced claim by the proven liars the ABD and dead crackpot Paul Smith, the man who endorsed using a bereaved family's address to avoid speeding fines.

[blueg33]

OTBC said:

That link is to an unattributed, unsourced claim by the proven liars the ABD and dead crackpot Paul Smith, the man who endorsed using a bereaved family's address to avoid speeding fines.

There are others too, I posted the first link.

BTW at no point did I state that it was factually correct as I havent done any research to corroborate it. All I did was state that it had been reported.

How do you know that Smith was a "crackpot" can you provide sources as to his mental health?

I wonder if there is a list of FOI requests somewhere so that we can see whether an FOI was made.

Its strikes me that Speed Cam partnerships twist stats as much as anyone else, neither they nor BRAKE nor Safespeed nor ABD are reliable sources of info

[heebeegeetee]

OTBC said:

That link is to an unattributed, unsourced claim by the proven liars the ABD and dead crackpot Paul Smith, the man who endorsed using a bereaved family's address to avoid speeding fines.

It takes a crackpot to know one, and with your use of a vile, but fortunately very rare crime, to illustrate your point(s), then I'd say you are one.

I'll repeat what I've said before: The UK faces many problems but road safety isn't one of them. Its one of the few things we do well. If you (or others) have a genuine desire to save lives and help people then your time would be spent far more productively elsewhere.

[OTBC]

I'm not saying that "crackpot" is the only apposite term. Picture the scene, a family have lost someone they love, they're distraught and bereft, then speeding fines addressed to their loved one start dropping through the letter box intended for Smith. No, "crackpot" is mild, despicable low-life sleaze ball is just as good.

[jaf01uk]

OTBC said:

I'm not saying that "crackpot" is the only apposite term. Picture the scene, a family have lost someone they love, they're distraught and bereft, then speeding fines addressed to their loved one start dropping through the letter box intended for Smith. No, "crackpot" is mild, despicable low-life sleaze ball is just as good.

Those are exactly the people BRAKE prey on and put on breakfast telly to preach the "speed kills" lies...

[singlecoil]

blueg33 said:

Anyway for the internet illiterate, here is the first hit

linky

at your respectable source of confirmation!

[blueg33]

singlecoil said:

blueg33 said:

Anyway for the internet illiterate, here is the first hit

linky

at your respectable source of confirmation!

Who said it was respectable? I certainly didn't. If you read what you want to read into what I said then that is your look out

[blueg33]

OTBC said:

That's why i asked. Nothing on google, so i call yet more speedophile lies.

WTF is a speedophile?

I suspect most people here arguing that speed limits are in some places too low and in other just badly applied, do not make a habit of speeding, they probably make a habit of driving to the conditions (of which the limit is a factor) and I for one would rather people did that than blindly follow the speed limit with little consideration of their other driving actions.

The problem us that wide use of speed cameras encourages the wrong sort of behaviour and worse an attitude of complancey

I have an example of 1. My FiL never speeds and he says he is safe because of that. In the year before I made him give up driving he had 4 accidents and drove the wrong way around a roundabout.

Actually I have another example too, colleague at work never speeds, only drives in the middle lane of the motorway ("because he is not slow") and has had 2 accident in 2 years. One involved straight;ining a roundabout and ironically the other involved rear ending a car that had braked because he saw a van at the side of the road.