Fatal Police accident in west mids (BiB not hurt)

Fatal Police accident in west mids (BiB not hurt)

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Munter

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31,319 posts

240 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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So this happened yesterday.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/10/22/six-...

I can't see any way the van driver could end up "under" his van unless he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. It looks entirely survivable had he still been inside the cab. frown

If that turns out to be the case I feel really sorry for the police driver who now has this on his record and his mind.

RWD cossie wil

4,295 posts

172 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Amazing that in 2014 grown adults can't be persuaded to wear a seat belt....

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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RWD cossie wil said:
Amazing that in 2014 grown adults can't be persuaded to wear a seat belt....
grown ups should have the choice, if they do not want to wear it they should not have to, they know the risks

no different to smoking or sking a black route etc



Willhire89

1,327 posts

204 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
RWD cossie wil said:
Amazing that in 2014 grown adults can't be persuaded to wear a seat belt....
grown ups should have the choice, if they do not want to wear it they should not have to, they know the risks

no different to smoking or sking a black route etc
Seconded

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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No they shouldn't. Not on a public road. Fatal RTCs cost a lot directly, and can cost a fortune indirectly if they occur on a major road.

Minor / moderate and serious injury RTCs cost a lot less. These are a lot more probable to occur when wearing a seatbelt.



Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 October 17:40

Tyre Tread

10,525 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
RWD cossie wil said:
Amazing that in 2014 grown adults can't be persuaded to wear a seat belt....
grown ups should have the choice, if they do not want to wear it they should not have to, they know the risks

no different to smoking or sking a black route etc
Not unless they accept that if they are injured they will have to pay for treatment since they didn't take reasonable measures to mitigate injury in the event of a crash and sign a waiver for damages against anyone who has a collision with them for the same reasons.

Vipers

32,796 posts

227 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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La Liga said:
No they shouldn't. Not on a publoc road.Fatal RTCs cost a lot directly, and can cost a fortune indirectly if they occur on a major road.

Minor / moderate and serious injury RTCs cost a lot less. These are a lot more probable to occur when wearing a seatbelt.
Seat belts has been thrashed to death, those who cant see the benifits should maybe spend a week in A & E looking after the punters from RTA's.

Maybe a spot fine of £2000 might make them think twice.




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croyde

22,701 posts

229 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I notice a lot of van drivers don't wear seat belts. When I drove for a living I would only put mine on when I went on motorways? but that was way before it became law.

Don't often have to drive a van or small truck these days but when I do, I always put on my belt.

Sad to see with that accident that it would have been survivable with a belt, unless extremely unlucky.

eybic

9,212 posts

173 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I saw an idiot yesterday with his belt tucked under his arm so it looked like he had it on but it was just over his shoulder and tucked under his arm so would probably do more damage than not wearing it at all rolleyes


iandc

3,708 posts

205 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
grown ups should have the choice, if they do not want to wear it they should not have to, they know the risks

no different to smoking or sking a black route etc
So the police officer involved in the crash plus the paramedics and the guy's family can all rest easy that he chose not to wear a seat belt which could have saved his life.

bitchstewie

50,779 posts

209 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I don't see anything saying he wasn't wearing a seat belt?

23rdian

387 posts

162 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Hang on how come its automatically the van drivers fault? Didn't collide with himself did he?

RWD cossie wil

4,295 posts

172 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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bhstewie said:
I don't see anything saying he wasn't wearing a seat belt?
Being thrown under your own vehicle is a pretty clearcut bit of evidence that suggests he wasn't wearing it, I will be amazed and eat my words if he was.

Regardless of fault, taking a simple measure to prevent a fairly hideous death would surely be in everyone's favour?

Those of you advocating it's the motorists choice, well sorry that's just selfish & wrong. If you want to kill yourself smoking, taking drugs, skiing etc then fine, it's your risk & generally your risk alone, but motoring means you involve other people, and in this accident & no doubt many others, the surviving party will have to suffer the consequence of a fatal accident (that could have so easily been avoided) for the rest if their life. People need protecting from their own selfish stupidity at times rolleyes

Edited by RWD cossie wil on Wednesday 22 October 18:26

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

127 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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23rdian said:
Hang on how come its automatically the van drivers fault? Didn't collide with himself did he?
No one is saying the crash was the van drivers fault, genius. The gist of the conversation is that if lack of a seat belt was the cause of the van drivers trajectory out of the vehicles, that is his fault.

Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Thursday 23 October 21:16

t400ble

1,804 posts

120 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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This is 30 seconds away from where I live

Its a very odd road, and wouldn't be the first crash to have happened

Willhire89

1,327 posts

204 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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RWD cossie wil said:
People need protecting from their own selfish stupidity at times rolleyes
I can't see the nanny state being too happy about a 600+bhp RWD Sapphy

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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t400ble said:
This is 30 seconds away from where I live

Its a very odd road, and wouldn't be the first crash to have happened
indeed.
that right hander after the humpback has caught a few out over the years.

glasgowrob

3,232 posts

120 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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just to throw it out there the van driver might not have needed to wear his seatbelt by law,


medical exemption or delivery driver between drops?

regardless though, horrible outcome and makes compelling arguments for wearing a seatbelt at all times

Red Devil

13,055 posts

207 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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glasgowrob said:
just to throw it out there the van driver might not have needed to wear his seatbelt by law,


medical exemption or delivery driver between drops?
The delivery drop driver exemption is not quite the get out many people seem to think it is.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/27/regulat...
In reality the only people who can truly take advantage of it are a milk roundsman or the postman.

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
grown ups should have the choice, if they do not want to wear it they should not have to, they know the risks

no different to smoking or sking a black route etc
Don't be a mug. You gain nothing by not wearing a belt (unless you're so fat that they're uncomfortable). So shut up, belt up and maybe lose some weight if your seatbelt is too tight