Harry Roberts. When will a life sentence be life ?
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TooMany2cvs said:
Vaud said:
Fortunately public opinion is disregarded in sentencing as it is rarely balanced or impartial.
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Damn-near-80yo is released from prison. Is he REALLY likely to go straight out and shoot another couple of plods? Of course he isn't. He's going to be utterly institutionalised, and probably head straight into, at the very least, sheltered housing or more likely a care home.
It's also worth remembering that whilst he's out on licence - for all of his life - he'll go straight back inside if he so much as farts out of tune.
The guy is a career crimminal who doesn't give a f
k about anyone, 40+ years in nick hadn't changed his attitude a few years back, I doubt it's changed a few years later.The b
d should have swung from a rope, and should die in jail, just like Duddy did.My late father worked with one of those shot officers, and always maintained that no HS would ever let Roberts out, and I hope that the current somewhat useless holder of that post will not sanction his release......but I won't hold my breath
Terminator X said:
rambo19 said:
TBH, I can't understand people screaming about this when the average murderer only spends about 12 yrs in prison.
He shot 3 people in cold blood, Police if it makes any difference. Do you think that chap who threw hand grenades then shot the female Police officers recently should be let out?TX.
I agree he should off hung.
TooMany2cvs said:
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Damn-near-80yo is released from prison. Is he REALLY likely to go straight out and shoot another couple of plods? Of course he isn't. He's going to be utterly institutionalised, and probably head straight into, at the very least, sheltered housing or more likely a care home.
It's also worth remembering that whilst he's out on licence - for all of his life - he'll go straight back inside if he so much as farts out of tune.
we all ready have prisons with what are effectively Residential Care Homes inside them , at least one prison has a mini-Hospice facility.
there's a point reached where the risk of harm to the public on the basis of their conviction is small compared to the risks the public pose to physically frail and/or demented old people ...
mph1977 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
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Damn-near-80yo is released from prison. Is he REALLY likely to go straight out and shoot another couple of plods? Of course he isn't. He's going to be utterly institutionalised, and probably head straight into, at the very least, sheltered housing or more likely a care home.
It's also worth remembering that whilst he's out on licence - for all of his life - he'll go straight back inside if he so much as farts out of tune.
As I've a;ready said, do a bit of research and see his behavior towards members of the public only a few years ago when out on 'release'.
aeropilot said:
As I've a;ready said, do a bit of research and see his behavior towards members of the public only a few years ago when out on 'release'.
I have absolutely no idea what he's alleged to have done on day release. Nor do I have any idea what he's been up to since, inside. But one thing I DO know is that the members of the parole board who reviewed his application and decided that he was suitable for release...? Well, they certainly had a LOT more information than you think you have.ash73 said:
It's nothing to do with being more or less important, the sentence has to be more severe if you murder a police officer, because they enforce the law. It's an attack on the justice system itself. The additional deterrent provides protection for police officers; otherwise we'll end up with all of them being armed.
But no extra penalty for killing a judge, or a witness, or a juror, or a court clerk, or a prison officer? Are they not part of the justice system? Why are they not equally special?TooMany2cvs said:
aeropilot said:
But one thing I DO know is that the members of the parole board who reviewed his application and decided that he was suitable for release...? Well, they certainly had a LOT more information than you think you have.
And I suspect you still believe in Father Christmas as well.....aeropilot said:
TooMany2cvs said:
But one thing I DO know is that the members of the parole board who reviewed his application and decided that he was suitable for release...? Well, they certainly had a LOT more information than you think you have.
And I suspect you still believe in Father Christmas as well.....Rs2oo said:
Harry Roberts, Given life in prison so why is he being released?
Minimum tariff was 30years and he's served 47, given that he's also convinced a parole board that he is unlikely to reoffend they have seen fit to approve his release on licence. He does appear in the past to have been a rather nasty piece of work but he's an old man now who's spent two thirds of his life in prison he may have changed a lot.
sdc77 said:
He's scum.. Deserves to be in prison.. Not to protect the public (and police) any more but as punishment and a deterrent.. In lieu of no death penalty
Yet another Numpty who doesn't appear to understand sentencing yet proceeds to lecture on how it should be done.As has been pointed out he's done 17 years over tarriff, is approaching 80 years of age and will as a lifer only ever be on licence.
mph1977 said:
sdc77 said:
He's scum.. Deserves to be in prison.. Not to protect the public (and police) any more but as punishment and a deterrent.. In lieu of no death penalty
Yet another Numpty who doesn't appear to understand sentencing yet proceeds to lecture on how it should be done.As has been pointed out he's done 17 years over tarriff, is approaching 80 years of age and will as a lifer only ever be on licence.
The year and a day rule stopped him from hanging after the chap he coshed in a previous robbery died so in reality he has killed 4
Mr. Justice Maude, said, "You are a brutal thug. You came very near the rope this time. It is to be hoped you do not appear before us again." Roberts received a sentence of seven years, and the victim, who never recovered from his injuries, died one year and three days after the attack. Had the victim died two days earlier, Roberts could have been tried for his murder under the year and a day rule.
Mr. Justice Maude, said, "You are a brutal thug. You came very near the rope this time. It is to be hoped you do not appear before us again." Roberts received a sentence of seven years, and the victim, who never recovered from his injuries, died one year and three days after the attack. Had the victim died two days earlier, Roberts could have been tried for his murder under the year and a day rule.
IanMorewood said:
Rs2oo said:
Harry Roberts, Given life in prison so why is he being released?
Minimum tariff was 30years and he's served 47, given that he's also convinced a parole board that he is unlikely to reoffend they have seen fit to approve his release on licence. He does appear in the past to have been a rather nasty piece of work but he's an old man now who's spent two thirds of his life in prison he may have changed a lot.
The byline is that of someone who knows a bit about criminals. Kate Kray was the wife of Ronnie one of the notorious twins.
This 'case study' doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence - https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/indepen...
However, he may wise up given time. See this telling quote from a Parole Board member.
"I find it more demoralising than I had expected because of the few people that we are able to release," said one member. "I joined the Parole Board with the belief that people can change. But they don't. Prison rarely helps offenders. More often than not, it seems to make them worse. They offend and offend again, and we as Parole Board members become more and more cautious about releasing them."
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2010/jul/19/parole-...
If it is true, one of the most shocking things about this decision to release Roberts is that nobody in authority saw fit to allow any input from Joan Cartwright and that she wasn't informed by the Parole Board about their decision. Given the previous history I find that quite scandalous.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2807238/Wi...
Let's face it, lefties dominate organisations like the parole board, probation service, social workers, etc. In their eyes, no-one is irredeemable.
My own view is that there can be no release for some people. People like Roberts or Robert Black. If they are no longer a danger to society, as a result of old age or genuine remorse, great, they can stay in prison doing charitable works. Sometimes the crimes are so heinous that the only fit punishment is a lifetime's incarceration.
My own view is that there can be no release for some people. People like Roberts or Robert Black. If they are no longer a danger to society, as a result of old age or genuine remorse, great, they can stay in prison doing charitable works. Sometimes the crimes are so heinous that the only fit punishment is a lifetime's incarceration.
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