A risky undertake on the A11. Any opinions?
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Retroman said:
Cockey said:
But the camera car is following the car in front. His speed is being dictated by the car he's following. Why should he move over when he very possibly is waiting for the car in front to move over so he can make some progress?
This topic has really surprised me.
And if more people join the queue it could easily be a few miles long where the inside lane only has 1 car, several miles ahead.This topic has really surprised me.
Kind of defeats the purpose of the overtaking lane if it gets to the stage you can make more progress in the inside lane.
But you can't say that about the cam car because he was following a slower car.
LucreLout said:
If he's not currently overtaking then wait in the left lane. Keep left unless overtaking does not mean keep left unless overtaking if the car in front finishes passing if it moves back to the left if if if.
Keep left unless overtaking.
So you overtake someone and then keep left, and then as you approach some more slower traffic you keep left and the car you have just overtaken repasses you because you have kept to the left.Keep left unless overtaking.
If the camera car had kept to the left all that will have happened is that he will find himself baulked when he catches up with the tractor, and will possibly find himself being repassed by traffic he's already overtaken.
I would put money on cam man lane hogging as it's taken him 24 seconds from when the video starts to him reaching the tractor, and there is nothing on the inside lane where cam man should have been.
Focus man has probably been held up for much longer than the video is showing, and frustration eventually kicks in and Focus man goes for it on the inside.
Focus man has probably been held up for much longer than the video is showing, and frustration eventually kicks in and Focus man goes for it on the inside.
Cockey said:
Blame the car at the front of the queue holding everyone up. It's them that needs to pull over if in the fast lane for no reason.
But you can't say that about the cam car because he was following a slower car.
Or you could be pragmatic and realise that since everyone in front of you is doing it wrong, you can take the view that the road has now inverted and use the lane not being used as a driving lane as an overtaking lane. That does not, however, absolve the bell end in the vid of nearly wiping out several people with his dangerous driving. But you can't say that about the cam car because he was following a slower car.
I've put those statements together because while I've not long been a poster, I've been reading PH for years and know some of the posters in this thread have a fondness for selective quoting, strawmen, and spinning what is written, and want to ensure they don't accidentally miss the bit about focus boy being a penis.
Cockey said:
Blame the car at the front of the queue holding everyone up. It's them that needs to pull over if in the fast lane for no reason.
I already said they were overtaking a car. However once they overtake it the person in the queue behind them will also need to overtake.The result is the same. Left hand side lane is empty for miles, and you have a "queue" of traffic waiting to overtake the car driving on the left several miles up the road.
Rather than staff left until ready to overtake, people have suggested it's ok to join the queue waiting to overtake the car so i assume if people continue to join this "queue" which goes on for miles, that's ok?
Cockey said:
But you can't say that about the cam car because he was following a slower car.
I wasn't saying it about the camera car, just pointed out a problem with people joining the queue of cars waiting to overtake as was suggested is ok.lbc said:
I would put money on cam man lane hogging as it's taken him 24 seconds from when the video starts to him reaching the tractor, and there is nothing on the inside lane where cam man should have been.
Focus man has probably been held up for much longer than the video is showing, and frustration eventually kicks in and Focus man goes for it on the inside.
If that was the case then Focus man would have drafted past safely a long time before. He would never have been in L2 (if he was he's as guilty as cameraman) and so would have had ample time to weigh up the situation and would have seen the tractor a long time before.Focus man has probably been held up for much longer than the video is showing, and frustration eventually kicks in and Focus man goes for it on the inside.
One of the reason's its taken cameraman 24 secs is because he's had to slow for the traffic in front. For all we know he was doing 95 before catching the slower traffic.
Basically cameraman isn't a tailgater and he cooperates with other traffic rather than baulking it in, and that gets him into trouble with the majority of other drivers possibly because none of them have that skill set.
Retroman said:
Cockey said:
Blame the car at the front of the queue holding everyone up. It's them that needs to pull over if in the fast lane for no reason.
I already said they were overtaking a car. However once they overtake it the person in the queue behind them will also need to overtake.The result is the same. Left hand side lane is empty for miles, and you have a "queue" of traffic waiting to overtake the car driving on the left several miles up the road.
Rather than staff left until ready to overtake, people have suggested it's ok to join the queue waiting to overtake the car so i assume if people continue to join this "queue" which goes on for miles, that's ok?
Regarding your point; maybe in an ideal world everyone will keep left until passing, but we all know that's never going to happen.
Cockey said:
Why should he move over when he very possibly is waiting for the car in front to move over so he can make some progress?
Good point. Focus driver would have done well to heed the same advice instead of getting impatient and undertaking.Cockey said:
This topic has really surprised me.
Likewise.Retroman said:
Rather than staff left until ready to overtake, people have suggested it's ok to join the queue waiting to overtake the car so i assume if people continue to join this "queue" which goes on for miles, that's ok?
But that's what people do in reality. The alternative, if you refuse to queue and obey the letter of the law, is to come up behind a slow moving vehicle in lane 1, slow to whatever speed it's doing (say 50mph) and sit there while the procession of cars in Lane 2, all still moving in a line at brisk pace, pass you and the slow moving vehicle. Meanwhile muggins is sat there waiting for a gap which may be a long time coming as others keep joining the back of the queue. Still, you can congratulate yourself on being in the right while you wait there.Of course you could overtake if only another driver would give you room and let you out... just like the driver in this video did. And look at the grief he's getting for it.
Phil303 said:
But that's what people do in reality. The alternative, if you refuse to queue and obey the letter of the law, is to come up behind a slow moving vehicle in lane 1, slow to whatever speed it's doing (say 50mph) and sit there while the procession of cars in Lane 2, all still moving in a line at brisk pace, pass you and the slow moving vehicle. Meanwhile muggins is sat there waiting for a gap which may be a long time coming as others keep joining the back of the queue. Still, you can congratulate yourself on being in the right while you wait there.
Of course you could overtake if only another driver would give you room and let you out... just like the driver in this video did. And look at the grief he's getting for it.
And that's why so many people "cruise" in the middle lane of motorways whilst the left hand lane is empty for miles reducing the overtaking lanes from 2 to 1.Of course you could overtake if only another driver would give you room and let you out... just like the driver in this video did. And look at the grief he's getting for it.
Ignoring the tractor, that was an unsual occurance which doesnt come up on a dual carriageway too often.
How many of you pull to the inside lane when a faster vehicle approaches from behind and you 'know' he will be passed before you can over take the car ahead of you staying at the same speed?
I like to think of myself as a good driver but have been caught out. If I see someone behind me making progress I move over and let them through.
How many of you pull to the inside lane when a faster vehicle approaches from behind and you 'know' he will be passed before you can over take the car ahead of you staying at the same speed?
I like to think of myself as a good driver but have been caught out. If I see someone behind me making progress I move over and let them through.
Retroman said:
And if more people join the queue it could easily be a few miles long where the inside lane only has 1 car, several miles ahead.
Kind of defeats the purpose of the overtaking lane if it gets to the stage you can make more progress in the inside lane.
But you can't, can you? Unless you undertake into someone's braking space and push to the front of the queue. Capacity of the road is set by progress through the bottleneck, not by what goes on behind it.Kind of defeats the purpose of the overtaking lane if it gets to the stage you can make more progress in the inside lane.
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