A risky undertake on the A11. Any opinions?
Discussion
andycaca said:
Phil303 said:
I don't sit in the outside lane all the time. I'm just stating that on this particular stretch of road shown in the video if I'm able to move right to let traffic out from the services then I will. Then I move left again. That's all.
that's called courtesy to other road users. you must drive an awesome V8, am i right? 
Just realised: A8 Forum!
Edited by Phil303 on Tuesday 28th October 12:37
motco said:
The camera car owner had been asleep in lane two for a while and this is borne out by the comment that the Focus "roared past" and took them by surprise. This doesn't excuse the Focus driver from carrying out a rash and risky manoeuvre, but it is just such disconnected driving as that of the camera owner that brings about frustration. All IMHO obviously... 
Nailed it right there. Two idiots, one driving inconsiderately/without awareness, the other driving aggressively and dangerously. The first type encourage the second, albiet unknowingly.CrutyRammers said:
motco said:
The camera car owner had been asleep in lane two for a while and this is borne out by the comment that the Focus "roared past" and took them by surprise. This doesn't excuse the Focus driver from carrying out a rash and risky manoeuvre, but it is just such disconnected driving as that of the camera owner that brings about frustration. All IMHO obviously...
Nailed it right there. Two idiots, one driving inconsiderately/without awareness, the other driving aggressively and dangerously. The first type encourage the second, albiet unknowingly.hora said:
I might be wrong but it looks like the driver/with the cam blips/accelerates at the last moment in an attempt to block the chap on the inside. That alone makes he complicit.
He eases off as the traffic slows and gets back on the gas once the grey car has moved out - I don't think he's responding to the Focus.OpulentBob said:
I know the A11 well. 53mph in L2 along there is ridiculous. If I was doing that, I'd fully expect to be undertaken. IMO, the cammer was MLM-ing.
You're right, 53mph would test the patience of a saint but the camera car is doing 75mph (probably showing close to 80 on the dial), right up until he starts to close the gap between him and the car that wants to pull out. He lifts off, speed goes to about 68 then a touch of the brakes to maintain a gap and let the driver ahead pull over.
That's the only point his speed hits the mid 50s - right at the point where is meets the tractor and catches up to the other driver.
hora said:
I might be wrong but it looks like the driver/with the cam blips/accelerates at the last moment in an attempt to block the chap on the inside. That alone makes he complicit.
I think Otolith is right in this instance but alternatively...He saw a bright blue Focus in the outside lane racing up behind him at a great rate of knots and thought he'd speed up to avoid being hit, seeing as he couldn't pull into the nearside lane. Focus driver doesn't intend to slow and goes for a sneaky undertake not realising how slowly the large vehicle in the nearside is actually moving.
Hang on: the camera driver is getting pulled apart for apparently going too slowly (he wasn't) and now he's getting grief for accelerating?
Edited by Phil303 on Tuesday 28th October 12:26 to add incredulousness
Edited by Phil303 on Tuesday 28th October 12:29
Phil303 said:
Hang on: the camera driver is getting pulled apart for apparently going too slowly (he wasn't) and now he's getting grief for accelerating?
I mean, if he'd maintained his speed as some are saying he should he'd have run into the car in front. Aside from being slightly delayed by the Focus and that little sEdited by Phil303 on Tuesday 28th October 12:26 to add incredulousness
Edited by Phil303 on Tuesday 28th October 12:29
tbox he let pass the tractor, he's maintained his gap to the car in front which was largely just under 2 seconds.
hora said:
No he did the 'I see what hes doing I'll shut the door to teach him'. Many drivers do this- suddenly increase their speed when being overtaken. It made the utterly stupid undertake a very dangerous move assisted by the bloke with the camera car.
I had this with a fking learner driver last night. Doing a steady 44mph all the way home (10 miles of single carriageway A road), I went to overtake him at the only real overtaking spot and he nailed it, up to 75, trying to block my pass. I say it was a learner, it had the toblerones on it, but it must have been the instructor. They are based just round the corner to me, I'll be having words. [/hardman]hora said:
No he did the 'I see what hes doing I'll shut the door to teach him'. Many drivers do this- suddenly increase their speed when being overtaken. It made the utterly stupid undertake a very dangerous move assisted by the bloke with the camera car.
His speed doesn't increase until the Focus is past.
heebeegeetee said:
hora said:
No he did the 'I see what hes doing I'll shut the door to teach him'. Many drivers do this- suddenly increase their speed when being overtaken. It made the utterly stupid undertake a very dangerous move assisted by the bloke with the camera car.
His speed doesn't increase until the Focus is past.The
The camera car was keeping up with the traffic in the outside lane leaving a safe distance to the car in front. Just because he's not tailgating the car in front doesn't mean he's lane hogging.So it's OK to travel in a convoy in lane 2, overtaking nothing, provided you maintain a safe distance from the car in front?
This is a coded way of saying: "You're not moving over, so why should I?"
The Focus driver was probably exasperated by the idiot(s) in the outside lane, but what he did was bad.
All idiots if you ask me, with the twit in lane 2 being worse, on the basis that, presumably, Focus man at least knew he was doing something wrong!
Cockey said:
Blue Oval84 said:
The camera driver was sat in a lane of traffic that was gradually passing those on the left.
He had actually left less than 2 seconds between him and the car in front.
A car on the left then pulled out in front of the camera car owing to a tractor being in front in L1, decreasing camera car's gap considerably.
Camera car was now in L2, with well under 2 seconds gap, rapidly catching up with a tractor in L1.
Why the shuddering fk should he have pulled into the left?
This place amazes me sometimes...
100% this.He had actually left less than 2 seconds between him and the car in front.
A car on the left then pulled out in front of the camera car owing to a tractor being in front in L1, decreasing camera car's gap considerably.
Camera car was now in L2, with well under 2 seconds gap, rapidly catching up with a tractor in L1.
Why the shuddering f
k should he have pulled into the left?This place amazes me sometimes...
The camera car was keeping up with the traffic in the outside lane leaving a safe distance to the car in front. Just because he's not tailgating the car in front doesn't mean he's lane hogging.
This is a coded way of saying: "You're not moving over, so why should I?"
The Focus driver was probably exasperated by the idiot(s) in the outside lane, but what he did was bad.
All idiots if you ask me, with the twit in lane 2 being worse, on the basis that, presumably, Focus man at least knew he was doing something wrong!
Jazzer said:
So it's OK to travel in a convoy in lane 2, overtaking nothing, provided you maintain a safe distance from the car in front?
This is a coded way of saying: "You're not moving over, so why should I?"
The Focus driver was probably exasperated by the idiot(s) in the outside lane, but what he did was bad.
All idiots if you ask me, with the twit in lane 2 being worse, on the basis that, presumably, Focus man at least knew he was doing something wrong!
If he was overtaking nothing he wouldn't have been able to record the Focus doing what he did - and he had to slow down to record that don't forget.This is a coded way of saying: "You're not moving over, so why should I?"
The Focus driver was probably exasperated by the idiot(s) in the outside lane, but what he did was bad.
All idiots if you ask me, with the twit in lane 2 being worse, on the basis that, presumably, Focus man at least knew he was doing something wrong!
Jazzer said:
So it's OK to travel in a convoy in lane 2, overtaking nothing, provided you maintain a safe distance from the car in front?
This is a coded way of saying: "You're not moving over, so why should I?"
The Focus driver was probably exasperated by the idiot(s) in the outside lane, but what he did was bad.
All idiots if you ask me, with the twit in lane 2 being worse, on the basis that, presumably, Focus man at least knew he was doing something wrong!
That sounds like "everyone who is currently in the process of overtaking should abort their manoeuvre if possible to let me through". If he had pulled over, would the Focus have overtaken him and then slotted into lane one until he reached the obstruction? Or would he have simply taken the driver's place? This is a coded way of saying: "You're not moving over, so why should I?"
The Focus driver was probably exasperated by the idiot(s) in the outside lane, but what he did was bad.
All idiots if you ask me, with the twit in lane 2 being worse, on the basis that, presumably, Focus man at least knew he was doing something wrong!
Jazzer said:
So it's OK to travel in a convoy in lane 2, overtaking nothing, provided you maintain a safe distance from the car in front?
Yes, it is okay to maintain a safe distance from the car in front and that's exactly what he was doing. What was also happening was that while maintaining this safe distance, he was gaining on the SUV-type thing in the nearside lane, so he very soon would have been overtaking.When he saw cars ahead in the RHL starting to slow a little to allow ones behind the tractor to pull out, he maintained a safe distance between him and the SUV that was imminently going to want to move across to avoid the tractor. The SUV was moving slightly slower so of course he had to rub off a little speed so he didn't hang off the back bumper.
You're assuming he's been in the RHL for a while; how do you know this? He might have passed a series of cars prior to this clip starting. As he was travelling at 75mph there's a good chance he was moving faster than other traffic and was in the RHL to carry out overtaking.
My point about the convoy mentality, so prevalent on the roads, remains a good one.
It represents just another one of those situations which, though formerly wrong, becomes right through accepted practice.
Basically, if enough of us get it wrong and continue to do so, it will become right.
Speaking for myself, I'd just love to have one of those Bond cars with forward firing rockets....would help clear a path for me!!
It represents just another one of those situations which, though formerly wrong, becomes right through accepted practice.
Basically, if enough of us get it wrong and continue to do so, it will become right.
Speaking for myself, I'd just love to have one of those Bond cars with forward firing rockets....would help clear a path for me!!
Jazzer said:
My point about the convoy mentality, so prevalent on the roads, remains a good one.
It represents just another one of those situations which, though formerly wrong, becomes right through accepted practice.
Basically, if enough of us get it wrong and continue to do so, it will become right.
Speaking for myself, I'd just love to have one of those Bond cars with forward firing rockets....would help clear a path for me!!
Hooligan It represents just another one of those situations which, though formerly wrong, becomes right through accepted practice.
Basically, if enough of us get it wrong and continue to do so, it will become right.
Speaking for myself, I'd just love to have one of those Bond cars with forward firing rockets....would help clear a path for me!!
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