Racism ?

[Mk3Spitfire]

Moonhawk said:

They may be duty bound to act - but did this case really need to be taken to court?

Wouldn't a police caution have been a more appropriate measure?

He could only have had a caution if he had admitted it, the IP was happy, and CPS were happy to authorise one.

[IainT]

OTBC said:

tony wright said:

Just seen a Facebook article on a young 18yr old girl receiving a 12 month jail sentence for placing bacon strips on the door handles of a Mosque. Can't see for the life of me how this could result in a custodial sentence. Surely the actions of a immature young girl out for a laugh (you would hope).

Obviously she has found out to her detriment, the serious of her actions but, I find it difficult to separate the diffrence with this and the Poppy burning protests, other than where were all the arrests?

Poppy burners were arrested. Look it up.

They were sentenced to how long in prison?

[OTBC]

You think burning a poppy is the same as desecrating a place of worship and boasting about it on Facebook?

[Retroman]

OTBC said:

You think burning a poppy is the same as desecrating a place of worship and boasting about it on Facebook?

They're as bad as each other.

The person who burned the poppies waited until the 2 minute silence during remembrance day then set alight the poppies whilst shouting "British soldiers burn in hell"

Both activities weren't necessary and their only purpose was to cause unrest or a disturbance.

[OTBC]

You think a public order offence is the same as threatening and abusive behaviour? They're two very different offences.

[Retroman]

No, i don't think they're the same.

Re-read what i typed.

I said the acts they performed are as bad as each other because they were both unnecessary and both acts were done to cause a disturbance.

[Mr2Mike]

OTBC said:

You think burning a poppy is the same as desecrating a place of worship and boasting about it on Facebook?

It's worse if anything. Religion is about fairy tales for the weak of mind, the Poppies and Remembrance day is about real people and the sacrifices they made.

How many Muslims were killed by the presence of bacon?

[Retroman]

Mr2Mike said:

How many Muslims were killed by the presence of bacon?

Probably the same number as the amount of people who died as a result of the poppy being burnt

[don4l]

Retroman said:

Mr2Mike said:

How many Muslims were killed by the presence of bacon?

Probably the same number as the amount of people who died as a result of the poppy being burnt

The poppy is in memory of a real person who gave their life for us.

The mosque is a place where people go to worship someone who doesn't exist.

[tony wright]

OTBC said:

You think burning a poppy is the same as desecrating a place of worship and boasting about it on Facebook?

Seriously you really have to ask... In my eyes there is no comparison it is a hundred percent worse. Ask yourself a question, what do you think would happen if the young girl and the poppy burning wker were put face to face. One likely outcome would be the young girl crying for her Mum while the wker poured kerosene on her and lit a match. If you think that view is strong, or racist, Google the above story on the Mosque. Once you find it you will then find a link to another story of a 55 yr old Muslim who did such a thing (after sexually assaulting her of course) to a 11 yr old girl. Her crime, she wore lipstick after he told her not to, thus showing him disrespect.

[Retroman]

don4l said:

The poppy is in memory of a real person who gave their life for us.

The mosque is a place where people go to worship someone who doesn't exist.

It's all a matter of perspective.
Not everyone holds that view about the Poppy, and not everyone holds that view about a Mosque.

The point stands that both acts were done to cause disturbance and/or unrest.

[9mm]

Retroman said:

don4l said:

The poppy is in memory of a real person who gave their life for us.

The mosque is a place where people go to worship someone who doesn't exist.

It's all a matter of perspective.
Not everyone holds that view about the Poppy, and not everyone holds that view about a Mosque.

The point stands that both acts were done to cause disturbance and/or unrest.

By that logic we could include upsetting people who believe in little green men on Alpha Centauri or followers of the Loch Ness monster.

Unfortunately for people of a religous persuasion, they have no more evidence to substantiate their beliefs than the star man worshippers and Nessie lovers. People respecting what the Poppy represents are basing their actions on things that we know happened.

[don4l]

Retroman said:

don4l said:

The poppy is in memory of a real person who gave their life for us.

The mosque is a place where people go to worship someone who doesn't exist.

It's all a matter of perspective.
Not everyone holds that view about the Poppy, and not everyone holds that view about a Mosque.

The point stands that both acts were done to cause disturbance and/or unrest.

I cannot imagine that anyone over the age of 10 in Britain does not know what the poppy represents.

The people who burned the poppy, did it because they understood its meaning perfectly.

I accept your point that not everyone holds the same view about a mosque (which I notice you spelled with a capital "M").

Bacon in a mosque is little more than taking the mickey out of people who have primitive beliefs. It isn't going to do any real harm, is it? Would Allah, if he exists, condemn someone to eternal damnation because some halfwits put bacon in a mosque?

[Pablo68]

Over sensitive bunch of s.

[nickfrog]

Enough to make Claude Lévi-Strauss turn in his grave. PH seems to attract a lot of uneducated and angry people.

[Mr2Mike]

Retroman said:

It's all a matter of perspective.
Not everyone holds that view about the Poppy, and not everyone holds that view about a Mosque.

You mean some people don't believe that the poppy and Remembrance Day are there to pay respects to the people that fought and died for the country? How odd, what do these people think the significance of the flower and the event is?

[Retroman]

don4l said:

I cannot imagine that anyone over the age of 10 in Britain does not know what the poppy represents.

Where did i suggest they didn't?

don4l said:

The people who burned the poppy, did it because they understood its meaning perfectly..

I'm sure the people who threw bacon in the mosque knew what it's meaning was to Muslims also.

don4l said:

I accept your point that not everyone holds the same view about a mosque (which I notice you spelled with a capital "M").

And you should also realise not everyone holds the same view about what the poppy means to them personally and / or the "troops"

don4l said:

Bacon in a mosque is little more than taking the mickey out of people who have primitive beliefs. It isn't going to do any real harm, is it? Would Allah, if he exists, condemn someone to eternal damnation because some halfwits put bacon in a mosque?.

I'm not sure. Will the British army lose more lifes and lose wars in countries they've invaded because someone burnt some plastic flowers they bought?

Mr2Mike said:

You mean some people don't believe that the poppy and Remembrance Day are there to pay respects to the people that fought and died for the country? How odd, what do these people think the significance of the flower and the event is?

Do you understand not everyone respects and / or supports "our troops"
For them, the Poppy has little to no meaning and no one is under any obligation to support them.

[Mr2Mike]

Retroman said:

Do you understand not everyone respects and / or supports "our troops"

Yes I understand that but it's irrelevant to the conversation, that's not what we were talking about.

Retroman said:

For them, the Poppy has little to no meaning and no one is under any obligation to support them.

Again, you seem to have moved onto a different subject.

If the poppy has little or no meaning to someone, then why would they burn them on Armistice Day?

Using your logic, since the Muslim religion means nothing to me it should be fine to decorate mosques with bacon and pigs blood?

[Retroman]

Mr2Mike said:

Again, you seem to have moved onto a different subject.

Ahh ironic, i like that!
(look at how the thread started and now we're talking about plastic flowers)

Mr2Mike said:

If the poppy has little or no meaning to someone, then why would they burn them on Armistice Day?

For the lolz?
Probably for the reasons i've already said repeatedly (to cause a disturbance / alarm)

Mr2Mike said:

Using your logic, since the Muslim religion means nothing to me it should be fine to decorate mosques with bacon and pigs blood?

Well there's two problems with that.
The first one is i never said it was fine. I never said it was bad either. I just provided some none biased insight.
The second is, the person who burnt the poppies owned the poppies that were burnt. So if you want to use a comparable example you'd have to own the mosques your wanted to decorate.

[Mr2Mike]

Retroman said:

Mr2Mike said:

If the poppy has little or no meaning to someone, then why would they burn them on Armistice Day?

For the lolz?
Probably for the reasons i've already said repeatedly (to cause a disturbance / alarm)

Clearly you have a wonderful insight into the mind of radical muslims. All this time I was under the misapprehension that the suicide bombings and hijacked planes flown into buildings were performed to express their hatred against Western cultures and values. Apparently it was just bunch of bored teenagers with too much time and high explosives on their hands.

Retroman said:

Mr2Mike said:

Using your logic, since the Muslim religion means nothing to me it should be fine to decorate mosques with bacon and pigs blood?

Well there's two problems with that.
The first one is i never said it was fine. I never said it was bad either. I just provided some none biased insight.
The second is, the person who burnt the poppies owned the poppies that were burnt. So if you want to use a comparable example you'd have to own the mosques your wanted to decorate.

Oh they owned the Poppies? Why didn't you say so before, that makes it absolutely fine. I mean there was obviously no symbolism involved, perhaps they were simply feeling a bit cold and lit a small fire with whatever was to hand?

FWIW your mosque example is flawed. I would have to own the bacon which I would use to desecrate the symbol of a religion, just as the Poppy burners owned the Poppies they used to try and desecrate the Armistice ceremony.