Car parked outside my house

Car parked outside my house

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walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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scarble said:
I can't say I agree with what singlecoil did but I at least have some sympathy...
He didn't do it.
He just said that the ironically named Lawbags' actions were "entirely reasonable".

ETA - that's what I meant by "ok". "Entirely reasonable."

singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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walm said:
scarble said:
I can't say I agree with what singlecoil did but I at least have some sympathy...
He didn't do it.
He just said that the ironically named Lawbags' actions were "entirely reasonable".

ETA - that's what I meant by "ok". "Entirely reasonable."
Well then, in the case under discussion, it was ok ,or entirely reasonable, to move the car at six months. I hope that answers your question.

There are other situations in which breaking the law would be entirely reasonable, and plenty more where it would not.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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singlecoil said:
Well then, in the case under discussion, it was ok ,or entirely reasonable, to move the car at six months. I hope that answers your question.
No it doesn't.
You already said it was reasonable at six months.

scarble

5,277 posts

157 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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walm said:
He didn't do it.
He just said that the ironically named Lawbags' actions were "entirely reasonable".
ETA - that's what I meant by "ok". "Entirely reasonable."
Sorry, read the thread too quickly obviously.
Apologies for accusing you of that singlecoil, even though you think it's entirely reasonable tongue out

Still stand by the second point that to watch a recovery driver, recovering your dumped wreck, wreck someone else's shiny new car, which cost them lots of money and do nothing about it? To do that I think you would have to literally not care about anyone but yourself. Not as bad as the recovery driver of course, but stil pretty bad.

Edited by scarble on Thursday 30th October 10:23

singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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walm said:
singlecoil said:
Well then, in the case under discussion, it was ok ,or entirely reasonable, to move the car at six months. I hope that answers your question.
No it doesn't.
You already said it was reasonable at six months.
If what you are getting at is what would be my thinking in different situations, then you will have to outline those situations and, if I have time, I will give my response to each.

The essence of these things is that they vary from one case to another, and I can't give you a general answer to cover every situation. Nor should you expect me to.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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singlecoil said:
I can't give you a general answer to cover every situation. Nor should you expect me to.
I don't.
The question is entirely specific.

Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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singlecoil said:
Fittster said:
singlecoil said:
photosnob said:
Hackney said:
No, I don't. What's amazing is, some people think it's abhorrent that someone would like to park in front of their own house. Yet it's ok for a car to be abandoned in the same place.
It's a public road. Anyone can park there. First come first served. If there are no restrictions they can park there for as long as they like.

What is offensive is people calling the police to get cars removed or trying to hassle people because they perceive it their space.

People who do that are cocks. The police should be going around and doing people for wasting police time rather than annoying and harassing legally parked members of the public.
What is offensive is people calling other people names just because they disagree with them, and what's even more offensive is people who, having a car they need to park up for 6 months, feel it's ok to leave it in a street that they have no connection with. In other words, making their long-term parking problem into someone else's problem.
Why do you think that residents have priority to park on the street outside their house?
But that's not what I said, as you very well know. The car was there for six months!
The car was legally parked for 6 months. There's no time limit no how long a car can be parked in one place, assuming the paperwork is correct.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Fittster said:
The car was legally parked for 6 months. There's no time limit no how long a car can be parked in one place, assuming the paperwork is correct.
No. There is a time limit.
It is somewhere between zero and six months.
Singlecoil is about to tell us when, exactly.

singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Fittster said:
The car was legally parked for 6 months. There's no time limit no how long a car can be parked in one place, assuming the paperwork is correct.
'Can'?

In what sense do you mean that? Legally? Morally? Reasonableness? They are not necessarily the same no matter how much it might suit your own circumstances to think that they are.


Here's a question for you. What's the minimum speed limit on a motorway?

Monkeylegend

26,385 posts

231 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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singlecoil said:
Fittster said:
The car was legally parked for 6 months. There's no time limit no how long a car can be parked in one place, assuming the paperwork is correct.
'Can'?

In what sense do you mean that? Legally? Morally? Reasonableness? They are not necessarily the same no matter how much it might suit your own circumstances to think that they are.


Here's a question for you. What's the minimum speed limit on a motorway?
About 85 on the M25.

Hol

8,412 posts

200 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Every neighbourhood is different, I guess.

In some, the neighbours will all get on, look after each others houses when neighbours are on hloliday and even buy each other presents at Xmas, but in others I guess they like to try and score points over each other.

If you are playing the points game, I assume you have to know the written rules.


I will be honest. I much prefer living in a road with 'extra unwritten rules' that allow neighbours try to consider other peoples parking habits whenever possible - when they park their own car.




singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Hol said:
Every neighbourhood is different, I guess.

In some, the neighbours will all get on, look after each others houses when neighbours are on hloliday and even buy each other presents at Xmas, but in others I guess they like to try and score points over each other.

If you are playing the points game, I assume you have to know the written rules.


I will be honest. I much prefer living in a road with 'extra unwritten rules' that allow neighbours try to consider other peoples parking habits whenever possible - when they park their own car.
Good post. There are some very cross people on this thread and I wonder if some nerves have been touched.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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So... you like your neighbours to be neighbourly? Fair enough. I think we all do.
Where I differ though is that I prefer my neighbours not to break the law.

Also I am not sure I have seen anyone particularly cross on the thread.
Other than the guy who decided his selfishness trumped someone else's and used that to justify breaking the law.

singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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I prefer it if nobody breaks the law, whether they are my neighbours or not. However. I accept that occasionally it might be reasonable to break the law. Not often, but occasionally.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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singlecoil said:
I accept that occasionally it might be reasonable to break the law. Not often, but occasionally.
I agree.
But this is not one of those occasions.

Speeding your in-labour wife to hospital? - Yes.
Breaking a window to escape a fire? - Yes.
Sitting your tired black bottom down on a "whites only" bus seat? - Yes.
Hunting down and murdering people who stay in lane 2 too long? - Yes.

Forcing a stranger to pay hundreds in fines because you want his parking spot? - No.

singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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walm said:
singlecoil said:
I accept that occasionally it might be reasonable to break the law. Not often, but occasionally.
I agree.
But this is not one of those occasions.
I had already gathered that that was your point of view.

It's not one I share on this occasion.

johnvthe2nd

1,285 posts

197 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Well I'm sorry but if someone unknown 'abandoned' (ie left for six months, albeit legally) their car outside my house causing me to park in a dodgy public car park down the road EVERY night, I would be pissed off about it .. I envy those of you who wouldn't give it another thought the level of enlightenment that you've reached!

IainT

10,040 posts

238 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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SS2. said:
Lawbags said:
So all you antis- you'd happily pay to park your car for 6 months, which is about 500m from your house, in a dingy car park?
I'm sure you'd happily oblige.
Happy or not, there's absolutely no way that I would have done what you did..
I agree with you - I wouldn't have done it either BUT the issue is one of people being generally reasonable and decent to one another; there's a gap between what's legal and what's neighbourly.

When I lived in SE London we had issues with parking - 2 cars (one the daily and my old RX7) - typical 3-bed terraced street where you could, on average fit around 4 cars per 3 houses. We ended up paying to have the front garden paved and a drop kerb installed for our convenience and also to be less of a pain for our neighbours - elderly couple one side, young family the other.

In that sense we tried to minimise our impact on the other people in our street and I can see why people who are inconvenienced by others non-thinking or selfishness get pissed off.

Bill and Ted had it right - be excellent to one another.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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johnvthe2nd said:
Well I'm sorry but if someone unknown 'abandoned' their car outside my house causing me to park in a dodgy public car park down the road EVERY night, I would be pissed off about it ..
I would be pissed off too.
I would do everything to find the owner.
I would be arguing with the council to have that 1-2pm restriction put back in place (even if it cost me £100 a year for a residents' permit).
I would be considering dropping my kerb.
I would be looking for more distant but cheaper parking.
I would possibly be thinking about moving house.

I wouldn't be forcing the owner of a legally parked car to be fined hundreds of pounds.

singlecoil

33,593 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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walm said:
I wouldn't be forcing the owner of a legally parked car to be fined hundreds of pounds.
Why would he be fined at all? He left it legally parked. AIUI, that doesn't attract a fine in this country.