Offence of road rage?

[r44flyer]

Hello all,

I cut someone up on a roundabout the other day, or rather got in someone's way, I was driving a large vehicle and had already pulled onto the roundabout when he came flying in off another exit. He didn't like me being there so leaned on the horn. 200 yards down the road I'm pulling in, he overtakes, slows, and pelts what I think was a large coin (silver and shiny anyway and going quite fast) at my side window.

Thankfully nothing broken, but nonetheless what offence has been committed here? There was no reaction on my part other than shock.

It's all on dashcam but not in my hands as it's a company vehicle.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Endangering a road user. 122(?) RTA.

[Red 4]

I think you mean causing danger to road users - s.22 RTA 1988.

Probably not the most appropriate offence to go for (see the definition). Attempt crim. damage, perhaps ?

[paintman]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/sectio...
S22A:
"(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he intentionally and without lawful authority or reasonable cause—
(a)causes anything to be on or over a road, or
(b)interferes with a motor vehicle, trailer or cycle, or
(c)interferes (directly or indirectly) with traffic equipment,
in such circumstances that it would be obvious to a reasonable person that to do so would be dangerous."

Can't really see that one for the circumstances given. Commonly used if someone in a vehicle other than the driver grabs the steering wheel or pulls the handbrake on whilst the vehicle is in motion.

This from Sussex Police website:
"Road rage is not a specific offence. It can include anything from making rude gestures and shouting at other drivers to criminal damage and assault. Minor mistakes such as pulling out in front of you or pushing in to a queue are minor faults that admittedly are very annoying but are something that most of us do from time to time and retaliating will only make matters worse. If you've been the victim of a more serious incident where serious threats or damage have been made to you or your car then you need to report the incident to your local police on 101 or complete the online form on the Operation Crackdown website. It's important to have as much information about the offending person and/or the vehicle involved. If you're in fear for your immediate safety then call 999. Please be aware that the police may not be able to bring a prosecution against the offender as unfortunately the Crown Prosecution Service do not support prosecutions for road rage type incidents without supporting evidence, such as an independent witness."

[carinaman]

Section 4A and 5 of the Public Order Act 1986?

You were distressed enough by the actions of the other driver to post here.

[anonymous-user]

Surely you were driving without due care and attention when you cut him up weren't you? That's the offence........

[pinchmeimdreamin]

REALIST123 said:

Surely you were driving without due care and attention when you cut him up weren't you? That's the offence........

What when he pulled onto the clear roundabout, before the other driver ?

[anonymous-user]

Attempted damage appears as the the most appropriate. The road traffic offences are more convoluted.

[gcollins]

Did you pick up the coin.....

[carinaman]

gcollins said:

Did you pick up the coin.....

Did the Dashcam get the money shot?

[Monkeylegend]

Damage to coins of the realm.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Ok, S22 looks unlikely then. Not sure Attempt crim dam would get far either but there's not a lot else.

[r44flyer]

Thanks for your input.

I wasn't convinced there would be anything conclusive given there's no discernible damage, and I'm not sure the dashcam footage will be of much use as out of the side window is apparently a blind spot. Ho hum.

[mel]

Nothing will ever come of it. He can just say he wasn't driving that day and doesn't know who was, unlike the massively criminal and hugely dangerous offence of doing 32 in 30 the police have no powers to demand who was driving and no powers to pursue the registered keeper if he refuses to talk. "No comment" will see this dead and buried.

[bimsb6]

mel said:

Nothing will ever come of it. He can just say he wasn't driving that day and doesn't know who was, unlike the massively criminal and hugely dangerous offence of doing 32 in 30 the police have no powers to demand who was driving and no powers to pursue the registered keeper if he refuses to talk. "No comment" will see this dead and buried.

You sure ?

[FurryExocet]

Mk3Spitfire said:

Ok, S22 looks unlikely then. Not sure Attempt crim dam would get far either but there's not a lot else.

Clear public order offence

[Mk3Spitfire]

FurryExocet said:

Clear public order offence

In a perfect world. With no CCTV, and no independent witnessss however, I can't see that sticking.

[Eclassy]

From what you have described there was no wrongdoing. He was just trying to get your attention.

[liner33]

s59 i reckon

[mel]

bimsb6 said:

mel said:

Nothing will ever come of it. He can just say he wasn't driving that day and doesn't know who was, unlike the massively criminal and hugely dangerous offence of doing 32 in 30 the police have no powers to demand who was driving and no powers to pursue the registered keeper if he refuses to talk. "No comment" will see this dead and buried.

You sure ?

My experience after having a projectile fired at the car from what they later suspected was a catapult from a moving van at approx 50mph, I had an entry hole the size of a 10p on the rear quarter (estate) and an exit that blew the entire window out rear door window a few inches behind my head. I got the reg and gave a description, they were picked up quick enough on an ANPR and spent the night in cells but were released without charge the next morning as there was no proof who fired it. They just went "not me" "don't know" "no comment"