Police station representation?
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xr2gte said:
It may be the law, but it's also a farce it has to be said.
Incident was reported to a representative of the police, by phone, a few hours later. Several hours later I also spoke to a PC who visited my home and asked me to sign a form (i think to confirm I was the registered keeper, I have the copy somewhere).
However because I didn't physically attend a police station it's classed as failure to report. And neither the lady on the 0330 number nor the officer in person thought it might be helpful to advise me of this? Not exactly entrapment but certainly leaves a bad taste.
As I said, I didn't feel well for a couple of days after with headache & nausea so reading up on the legalities of reporting an accident / 15 mile trip to the nearest police station wasn't prime on my mind. Thought I'd done 'my bit'.
But why report it?Incident was reported to a representative of the police, by phone, a few hours later. Several hours later I also spoke to a PC who visited my home and asked me to sign a form (i think to confirm I was the registered keeper, I have the copy somewhere).
However because I didn't physically attend a police station it's classed as failure to report. And neither the lady on the 0330 number nor the officer in person thought it might be helpful to advise me of this? Not exactly entrapment but certainly leaves a bad taste.
As I said, I didn't feel well for a couple of days after with headache & nausea so reading up on the legalities of reporting an accident / 15 mile trip to the nearest police station wasn't prime on my mind. Thought I'd done 'my bit'.
I may have missed something
if an accident is reportable it can be reported in one of two ways
1. in person by attending a Police station (presumably allows the report to be taken by amember of police staff e.g. a PCSO or a front counter person )
2. In person to a Constable - doesn't say where - presumably to allow the report to be taken at scene / at home / in hospital / at a service area or wherever ...
So the question is why they are saying failure to report when a Cpnstable attended his home address after a call to the None emergency number .//
if an accident is reportable it can be reported in one of two ways
1. in person by attending a Police station (presumably allows the report to be taken by amember of police staff e.g. a PCSO or a front counter person )
2. In person to a Constable - doesn't say where - presumably to allow the report to be taken at scene / at home / in hospital / at a service area or wherever ...
So the question is why they are saying failure to report when a Cpnstable attended his home address after a call to the None emergency number .//
Any accident which causes injury to a person or animal other than the driver or belonging to the driver or causes damage to property other than the drivers vehicle or belong to the driver is reportable, but not necessarily to the Police.
The car was written off, so possibly hit something substantial, a wall or large livestock. Giving the owner of the property or whatever your details & vrm counts as reporting. If you haven't done that, then you have to notify Police.
The car was written off, so possibly hit something substantial, a wall or large livestock. Giving the owner of the property or whatever your details & vrm counts as reporting. If you haven't done that, then you have to notify Police.
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Or I just think there are massive holes in this story that we aren't being told.
Im still not sure when the PC phoned him and was abusive and threatening ?
If its just a case of him accidentally parking his car in a hedge, Why a DWDCA charge ?
Couldn't resist, my inner child took charge (again).Im still not sure when the PC phoned him and was abusive and threatening ?
If its just a case of him accidentally parking his car in a hedge, Why a DWDCA charge ?
Aside from myself, I'm not sure anyone is honest on the internet.
To clarify, there was damage caused to a 3rd parties property (highways agency), who I phoned and informed them of the damage/location.
The PC was aggressive/unpleasant on the phone prior to me attending the 'informal chat'. Very different at station with sol there, but still staunchly against everything I had to say. Guilty till proven innocent was very much the feeling.
The PC was aggressive/unpleasant on the phone prior to me attending the 'informal chat'. Very different at station with sol there, but still staunchly against everything I had to say. Guilty till proven innocent was very much the feeling.
Greendubber said:
You're full of terrible advice.
Right. Given I've got direct experience of using medical evidence to "get away" with an offence, I'd love to know what qualifies you to say that. My knowledge is not close to that of the police officers or solicitors on here - but due to my past I do have a pretty reasonable knowledge of the courts, evidence and the cps. If the police officer was abusive in the way the op is staying he should fill in the form on the ipcc website. I'm not sure if calls are recorded which is why I record them myself, but there is a policing code which the officer will have breached if he has acted in that way. End result is just a ticking off, but forces hate those statistics so it will certainly deter him from doing it again. Expect to get a fobbing off from the sergeant or inspector who "investigates" it. The mark on the statistics is all you can really hope for.
photosnob said:
Right. Given I've got direct experience of using medical evidence to "get away" with an offence, I'd love to know what qualifies you to say that. My knowledge is not close to that of the police officers or solicitors on here - but due to my past I do have a pretty reasonable knowledge of the courts, evidence and the cps.
What qualifies me to say your advice is rubbish? you see the 2 occupations you mentioned, remove solicitor and the other one is what I do for a living.You are encouraging someone to lie by obtaining dubious retrospective medical advice.
Several years ago a neighbour was behind me in his car and suddenly disappeared. When I went back to investigate, it turns out his car had hit black ice and spun off and ended up on it's roof in a field. He wasn't injured but badly shaken.
I phoned the police to report and when I gave them the facts (no injury and no lasting damage to property, and we knew the field owner) they were uninterested and said we did not need to go in.
As an aside, I was suprised by the amount of people who stopped and asked if we needed help (my car was on the road with hazard lights flashing). And also suprising how many other people we saw hit the black ice and swerve around the road.
I phoned the police to report and when I gave them the facts (no injury and no lasting damage to property, and we knew the field owner) they were uninterested and said we did not need to go in.
As an aside, I was suprised by the amount of people who stopped and asked if we needed help (my car was on the road with hazard lights flashing). And also suprising how many other people we saw hit the black ice and swerve around the road.
Bigyoke said:
Any accident which causes injury to a person or animal other than the driver or belonging to the driver or causes damage to property other than the driverse or belong to the driver is reportable, but not necessarily to the Police.
The car was written off, so possibly hit something substantial, a wall or large livestock. Giving the owner of the property or whatever your details & vrm counts as reporting. If you haven't done that, then you have to notify Police.
This is interesting, I reported it to the Highways Agency (owner of the damaged property) at approx the same time as to the police (both by phone, a few hours after accident), so are you saying that alleviates me of the requirement to attend police station in person?The car was written off, so possibly hit something substantial, a wall or large livestock. Giving the owner of the property or whatever your details & vrm counts as reporting. If you haven't done that, then you have to notify Police.
xr2gte said:
To clarify, there was damage caused to a 3rd parties property (highways agency), who I phoned and informed them of the damage/location.
The PC was aggressive/unpleasant on the phone prior to me attending the 'informal chat'. Very different at station with sol there, but still staunchly against everything I had to say. Guilty till proven innocent was very much the feeling.
When though, when did you notify the Highways Agency, when did you have the first contact with the police, when did the police officer come to your home, and when did the unpleasant telephone conversation take place.The PC was aggressive/unpleasant on the phone prior to me attending the 'informal chat'. Very different at station with sol there, but still staunchly against everything I had to say. Guilty till proven innocent was very much the feeling.
Also, when did you report it to your insurer who I would expect to take on the liaison with the Highways Agency to recover damage costs. I can't see why the police needed to be involved at all unless there is something more to the incident. Were you fleeing the 'rozzers', have you a history with the police, was the damage unusually substantial, did they find a dozen empty beer cans in the car, etc etc..? There must be something to justify their enthusiasm to seek a prosecution for what seems as a routine 'off'.
xr2gte said:
This is interesting, I reported it to the Highways Agency (owner of the damaged property) at approx the same time as to the police (both by phone, a few hours after accident), so are you saying that alleviates me of the requirement to attend police station in person?
Depending where this happened I believe the relevant legislation is either s.170 RTA 1988 or art.175 RT (NI) Order 1981. Both are available on the UK legislation website for reference. It may be that once you leave the scene without reporting you've failed to comply whether or not you report it later. Presumably you explained all that at interview. Remember being reported for an offence doesn't mean you will actually be prosecuted for it.
As mentioned before it seems like an awful lot of effort is being put into what would't normally be a Police matter.
The Surveyor said:
When though, when did you notify the Highways Agency, when did you have the first contact with the police, when did the police officer come to your home, and when did the unpleasant telephone conversation take place.
Also, when did you report it to your insurer who I would expect to take on the liaison with the Highways Agency to recover damage costs. I can't see why the police needed to be involved at all unless there is something more to the incident. Were you fleeing the 'rozzers', have you a history with the police, was the damage unusually substantial, did they find a dozen empty beer cans in the car, etc etc..? There must be something to justify their enthusiasm to seek a prosecution for what seems as a routine 'off'.
In order, approx 8hrs after accident, 5-6hrs after accident, 11hrs after accident and 2months after when they decided to follow it up.Also, when did you report it to your insurer who I would expect to take on the liaison with the Highways Agency to recover damage costs. I can't see why the police needed to be involved at all unless there is something more to the incident. Were you fleeing the 'rozzers', have you a history with the police, was the damage unusually substantial, did they find a dozen empty beer cans in the car, etc etc..? There must be something to justify their enthusiasm to seek a prosecution for what seems as a routine 'off'.
To insurer, 8hrs after accident. No fleeing (although the PC obviously thought it was, his attitude was you should stay with vehicle regardless and for any amount of time) - no-one at all in area, no history, damage was fairly substantial to car. No beer cans or half drunk bottles of vodka lol.
S170 says either report accident to a constable at station or a constable in person. As I spoke to a constable in person 11hrs after concerning the accident does that not count?
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