Police station representation?
Discussion
SamRS197 said:
There is no way that this happened. I think your friend is probably not telling you the whole truth...
We'll see.I have a thread on here about this issue and will update accordingly.My mate isnt really interested in fighting the powers that be. He just wants a nice quiet life.
I am funding this so I would like to think he has told me the whole truth. He has absolutely no reason to lie. I would like to believe he would have chickened out and come clean with the true story after we visited the solicitors and he heard the figures. We were clearly told these costs would be unrecoverable if he lost.
I have a very strong feeling the police have something to hide as they have refused to provide the information he requested under the DPA. He even went through the ICO but nothing.
Do you not find it strange that your friend has allegedly suffered this huge abuse of position, spent over 10 hours in police custody, been lied to and unlawfully arrested, with the potential for thousands in compensation, and yet he "isn't really interested"?
Have you not thought that, especially as you're "funding" the whole thing, that he might portray a slightly bias viewpoint?
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
Have you not thought that, especially as you're "funding" the whole thing, that he might portray a slightly bias viewpoint?
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
Like cyclists with helmet cams that seem to get themselves in trouble everyday I can't help but think you and your friends are similar with the police.
How have i, or any of my family or friends, never had dealings with the police. Granted I sleep with one but the rest of them don't know that.
If trouble with the police follows you everywhere maybe you should start looking a little closer to home for the problem.
How have i, or any of my family or friends, never had dealings with the police. Granted I sleep with one but the rest of them don't know that.
If trouble with the police follows you everywhere maybe you should start looking a little closer to home for the problem.
Eclassy said:
We'll see.I have a thread on here about this issue and will update accordingly.
My mate isnt really interested in fighting the powers that be. He just wants a nice quiet life.
I am funding this so I would like to think he has told me the whole truth. He has absolutely no reason to lie. I would like to believe he would have chickened out and come clean with the true story after we visited the solicitors and he heard the figures. We were clearly told these costs would be unrecoverable if he lost.
I have a very strong feeling the police have something to hide as they have refused to provide the information he requested under the DPA. He even went through the ICO but nothing.
I cant help but think your friend has more to hide than he is letting on.My mate isnt really interested in fighting the powers that be. He just wants a nice quiet life.
I am funding this so I would like to think he has told me the whole truth. He has absolutely no reason to lie. I would like to believe he would have chickened out and come clean with the true story after we visited the solicitors and he heard the figures. We were clearly told these costs would be unrecoverable if he lost.
I have a very strong feeling the police have something to hide as they have refused to provide the information he requested under the DPA. He even went through the ICO but nothing.
The circumstances that you claim took place would mean PACE was breached on a number of occasions and he would have a very strong case for an unlawful arrest. Both are an exceptionally rare occurance but for all of them to happen in one go is just impossible. Finding a custody Sgt to authorise detention, an inspector to review the detention when he is in custody etc.
I hate to break it to you but you're on a hiding to nowhere based on the account given by your friend.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Do you not find it strange that your friend has allegedly suffered this huge abuse of position, spent over 10 hours in police custody, been lied to and unlawfully arrested, with the potential for thousands in compensation, and yet he "isn't really interested"?
Have you not thought that, especially as you're "funding" the whole thing, that he might portray a slightly bias viewpoint?
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
Agree about lots of scrutiny. I'm one of those - turn up at my local nick anytime 24x7x366 and demand to be admitted to custody without delay, and talk privately to all detainees to ensure PACE compliance. Purely voluntary, no connection with the police, and hugely enjoyable.Have you not thought that, especially as you're "funding" the whole thing, that he might portray a slightly bias viewpoint?
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
If someone detained told me PACE wasn't being adhered to, I can check custody records, and if I'm not satisfied, escalate very quickly. This is extremely rare.
On the other hand when a detainee says the police have nicked their money/fags/medication I can usually sort that as well.
eldar said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Do you not find it strange that your friend has allegedly suffered this huge abuse of position, spent over 10 hours in police custody, been lied to and unlawfully arrested, with the potential for thousands in compensation, and yet he "isn't really interested"?
Have you not thought that, especially as you're "funding" the whole thing, that he might portray a slightly bias viewpoint?
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
Agree about lots of scrutiny. I'm one of those - turn up at my local nick anytime 24x7x366 and demand to be admitted to custody without delay, and talk privately to all detainees to ensure PACE compliance. Purely voluntary, no connection with the police, and hugely enjoyable.Have you not thought that, especially as you're "funding" the whole thing, that he might portray a slightly bias viewpoint?
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
If someone detained told me PACE wasn't being adhered to, I can check custody records, and if I'm not satisfied, escalate very quickly. This is extremely rare.
On the other hand when a detainee says the police have nicked their money/fags/medication I can usually sort that as well.
We get a few minor incidents, mostly new custody people who haven't got up to speed and easily fixed. Serious incidents are exceeding rare.Bigends said:
We used to get lay visitors in custody occasionally - as soon as they identified themselves at the front desk we had to take them through to custody without delay - no going through and warning anyone they were in. They then had unrestricted access to the custody area including paperwork -pretty good bunch monitoring the rules were being adhered to
When I was in the habit of locking people up I'd see them maybe two or three times a week.Greendubber said:
When I was in the habit of locking people up I'd see them maybe two or three times a week.
Hardly ever see them these days. Well, certainly not as much as we used to. Personally I'd like to see them more. I like the transparency, and dispelling some of the myths surrounding how Dave's mate's sister's friend was treated.Always found every custody suite I've ever been in to be very professional and almost clinical.
But it didn't stop the relatives of the late Thomas Orchard being told he had suffered a heart attack while in custody and it was only discovered that he had an emergency restraint belt placed around his head while in a cell when the family managed to get an independent person into the autopsy that I think noticed the marks around his head.
I was just reading up on the case of Leon Briggs. There was no CCTV footage from the external camera on the van that took him into custody, but it's not clear if the camera wasn't in service for that incident. That was Nov. 4 2013.
I wasn't aware that allegedly the Beds. PCC may have discussed the case about Leon Briggs with his wife at home until today. The CPS said there was insufficient evidence to likely secure a conviction for Olly Martins talking about the Leon Briggs case at home. A BiB has posted before here that there are no secrets within police stations.
I am not sure I get the IPCC opinion that deaths in custody are complicated matters given the environment that's discussed here and the police achieving convictions for deaths not on their premises where they don't have CCTV, scrutiny or external lay invigilators popping by on the off chance?
I was just reading up on the case of Leon Briggs. There was no CCTV footage from the external camera on the van that took him into custody, but it's not clear if the camera wasn't in service for that incident. That was Nov. 4 2013.
I wasn't aware that allegedly the Beds. PCC may have discussed the case about Leon Briggs with his wife at home until today. The CPS said there was insufficient evidence to likely secure a conviction for Olly Martins talking about the Leon Briggs case at home. A BiB has posted before here that there are no secrets within police stations.
I am not sure I get the IPCC opinion that deaths in custody are complicated matters given the environment that's discussed here and the police achieving convictions for deaths not on their premises where they don't have CCTV, scrutiny or external lay invigilators popping by on the off chance?
Zoobeef said:
Like cyclists with helmet cams that seem to get themselves in trouble everyday I can't help but think you and your friends are similar with the police.
How have i, or any of my family or friends, never had dealings with the police. Granted I sleep with one but the rest of them don't know that.
If trouble with the police follows you everywhere maybe you should start looking a little closer to home for the problem.
This is a very ignorant post. I have been arrested once and it was based on mistaken identity. I dont know how I could have avoided that. How have i, or any of my family or friends, never had dealings with the police. Granted I sleep with one but the rest of them don't know that.
If trouble with the police follows you everywhere maybe you should start looking a little closer to home for the problem.
My friend was arrested based on the allegation of a disgruntled flat mate. How could he have avoided that?
Mk3Spitfire said:
A custody suite is one of the most scrutinised places in a police station with audio and visual recordings as well as spot checks by regulating authorities.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
I agree which is why I asked him to request for time stamped CCTV and audio recording of his time at the station. This request hasnt been granted despite the involvement of the ICO. This type of request should be honoured within 40 days. Its been over 300 days and nothing.I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying look at it from another angle.
I realise its a public access department that deals with SARs but do you have any idea why they wouldnt have provided the info requested by now?
I believe my mate and the refusal of the SAR further strenghtens my belief that they have something to hide.
As a Police Officer, I'd always advise seeking legal advice (if not necessarily taking a solicitor to the interview). The solicitor is there to protect your interests. Having one isn't an admission of guilt. In fact I can think of jobs where the detained person has declined representation and I'd have been much happier had they been represented.
carinaman said:
I wasn't aware that allegedly the Beds. PCC may have discussed the case about Leon Briggs with his wife at home until today. The CPS said there was insufficient evidence to likely secure a conviction for Olly Martins talking about the Leon Briggs case at home.
This is a sick joke. Insufficient evidence my a
e. The has admitted to the disclosure. If a person on jury service indulges in pillow talk which subsequently gets out into the wider world the result is that the trial often collapses and the errant juror gets jailed for contempt. The same standards should apply to a PCC imo.All the while those in whose hands power resides cover each others backs we will never get the stables cleansed. Part of the problem is the all pervasive party politics. As soon as you have 'Conservative', 'Labour', and 'Lib-Dem' sponsored PCCs any vestige of independence has already flown out of the window.
Update in case anyone's interested.
Attended police station with solicitor, apparently will be reported for DWDCA, leaving scene of an accident, failure to report. All a bit bizarre, the last one for example is just a failure by the police system to record info correctly for a start, they'll find the phone call in due course unless they really are incompetent.
Hypothetical question: how long can someone be expected to stay with a vehicle after an accident with no-one else involved, or anywhere to be seen? If you came off the road in the early hours in the sticks into a fence/hedge etc, no houses nearby or phone signal but your own house was within reasonable walking distance, wouldn't it make sense to get home where you have shelter/warmth/phone etc?
Attended police station with solicitor, apparently will be reported for DWDCA, leaving scene of an accident, failure to report. All a bit bizarre, the last one for example is just a failure by the police system to record info correctly for a start, they'll find the phone call in due course unless they really are incompetent.
Hypothetical question: how long can someone be expected to stay with a vehicle after an accident with no-one else involved, or anywhere to be seen? If you came off the road in the early hours in the sticks into a fence/hedge etc, no houses nearby or phone signal but your own house was within reasonable walking distance, wouldn't it make sense to get home where you have shelter/warmth/phone etc?
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