20 mph Speed Limit Rejected - A Rare Win
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No need to worry about what he 'effectively said' when we can read what he actually said.
As someone said recently, modern cars should be able to cope with all frequently encountered road conditions. Whether that's in a lower gear or a higher one will be a matter for the manufacturer and the customer, but driving at 20mph ought not to be a problem for any road car.
As someone said recently, modern cars should be able to cope with all frequently encountered road conditions. Whether that's in a lower gear or a higher one will be a matter for the manufacturer and the customer, but driving at 20mph ought not to be a problem for any road car.
singlecoil said:
No need to worry about what he 'effectively said' when we can read what he actually said.
As someone said recently, modern cars should be able to cope with all frequently encountered road conditions. Whether that's in a lower gear or a higher one will be a matter for the manufacturer and the customer, but driving at 20mph ought not to be a problem for any road car.
At odds to his post though. Chances are that he knows his car better than you.As someone said recently, modern cars should be able to cope with all frequently encountered road conditions. Whether that's in a lower gear or a higher one will be a matter for the manufacturer and the customer, but driving at 20mph ought not to be a problem for any road car.
TX.
Terminator X said:
singlecoil said:
No need to worry about what he 'effectively said' when we can read what he actually said.
As someone said recently, modern cars should be able to cope with all frequently encountered road conditions. Whether that's in a lower gear or a higher one will be a matter for the manufacturer and the customer, but driving at 20mph ought not to be a problem for any road car.
At odds to his post though. Chances are that he knows his car better than you.As someone said recently, modern cars should be able to cope with all frequently encountered road conditions. Whether that's in a lower gear or a higher one will be a matter for the manufacturer and the customer, but driving at 20mph ought not to be a problem for any road car.
TX.
SC.
Buying a modern car that can't be driven below 30mph seems to be a little unwise, given that the average speed of travel in a built up area is less than 20mph (and less than 9mph in town).
The only thing that the 20mph limit brings to driving in an urban environment is to (try) to stop people putting their foot down between junctions, with the risks that that brings (dangerous overtakes etc).
Sadly the whole 20mph thing is a waste of time as it'll probably only ever be used by accident investigators to apportion blame - the coppers don't enforce it at all.
However, railing against the whole idea of a 20mph limit being in any way a good idea with such risible statements as "my car can't do it" makes as much sense as bleating about a limit which is higher than the average speed of the traffic that claims to be being held up by said limit.
The only thing that the 20mph limit brings to driving in an urban environment is to (try) to stop people putting their foot down between junctions, with the risks that that brings (dangerous overtakes etc).
Sadly the whole 20mph thing is a waste of time as it'll probably only ever be used by accident investigators to apportion blame - the coppers don't enforce it at all.
However, railing against the whole idea of a 20mph limit being in any way a good idea with such risible statements as "my car can't do it" makes as much sense as bleating about a limit which is higher than the average speed of the traffic that claims to be being held up by said limit.
Can't believe anyone would start a thread on a forum and not expect a discussion to ensue.
If I lived in a town and a 20mph limit was proposed, and if I disagreed with it as I expect I would, though it would depend on the local circumstances, I like to think I could come up with better arguments against it than "my car won't pull 20 in 3rd gear" and "I don't think I could judge 20mph without keeping my eyes glued to the speedometer".
I think most speed limits in this country are fine as they are and I don't know of any that need to be reduced further. But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
If I lived in a town and a 20mph limit was proposed, and if I disagreed with it as I expect I would, though it would depend on the local circumstances, I like to think I could come up with better arguments against it than "my car won't pull 20 in 3rd gear" and "I don't think I could judge 20mph without keeping my eyes glued to the speedometer".
I think most speed limits in this country are fine as they are and I don't know of any that need to be reduced further. But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
singlecoil said:
Can't believe anyone would start a thread on a forum and not expect a discussion to ensue.
If I lived in a town and a 20mph limit was proposed, and if I disagreed with it as I expect I would, though it would depend on the local circumstances, I like to think I could come up with better arguments against it than "my car won't pull 20 in 3rd gear" and "I don't think I could judge 20mph without keeping my eyes glued to the speedometer".
I think most speed limits in this country are fine as they are and I don't know of any that need to be reduced further. But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
There are lots of examples of how to run a successful campaign against reducing speed limits here - http://20spointless.org.uk/If I lived in a town and a 20mph limit was proposed, and if I disagreed with it as I expect I would, though it would depend on the local circumstances, I like to think I could come up with better arguments against it than "my car won't pull 20 in 3rd gear" and "I don't think I could judge 20mph without keeping my eyes glued to the speedometer".
I think most speed limits in this country are fine as they are and I don't know of any that need to be reduced further. But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
Those guys ran a great campaign and as you said came up with much better arguments than some on this thread.
Dammit said:
From the site you just linked to:
"WASTE OF MONEY – £350,000 will be spent to reduce traffic speeds by an average of 1mph-2mph".
Which suggests that the average speed in Worthing is 21-22mph, so people are getting het up about very little in the way of (potential) change?
Perhaps they are upset that £350,000 of ratepayers money is being wasted for so little return?"WASTE OF MONEY – £350,000 will be spent to reduce traffic speeds by an average of 1mph-2mph".
Which suggests that the average speed in Worthing is 21-22mph, so people are getting het up about very little in the way of (potential) change?
singlecoil said:
But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
Surely it should be up to them to come up with arguments for further restrictions, not us to come up with arguments against?Dr Jekyll said:
singlecoil said:
But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
Surely it should be up to them to come up with arguments for further restrictions, not us to come up with arguments against?singlecoil said:
Dr Jekyll said:
singlecoil said:
But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
Surely it should be up to them to come up with arguments for further restrictions, not us to come up with arguments against?Dr Jekyll said:
singlecoil said:
Dr Jekyll said:
singlecoil said:
But if we are to prevent further lowering, we need to come up with MUCH better arguments than the ones we see here nearly every day. Example of crap arguments seen on SP&L include "if I have to drive any slower I will go to sleep" and "they only have speed limits so they can fine people for exceeding them, and make loads of money".
Surely it should be up to them to come up with arguments for further restrictions, not us to come up with arguments against?There's already a speed limit in force, so people are already being prevented from doing what suits them (to drive at their own preferred speed if that is greater than the speed limit) so it's just a question of what that limit should be.
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