Speed awareness shenanigans

Speed awareness shenanigans

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BertBert

19,025 posts

211 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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[quote=Who me ?]
The two second rule , like all other numeric things in driving ,only is of use in optimum conditions,in similar vehicles with all equipment in both ( especially the following one) in tiptop condition. It also relies on the following driver having similar reflexes to the one ahead, or by the following driver looking ahead of the car in front.

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You don't actually think it's a rule do you?

Sheepshanks

32,718 posts

119 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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If even PHer’s don’t understand basics like this it’s no wonder the general population doesn’t get merge-in-turns and turns them into battle-grounds.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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DrDoofenshmirtz said:
I hope you weren't the annoying one constantly engaging in discussion thus dragging out the course, when everyone just wants to go home?
If so, people there really DID want to kill you!
On my one, if I attempted to get into a discussion on anything vaguely technical (that they were being a bit disingenuous about) I'd be told to discuss it in the break.

carinaman

21,284 posts

172 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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I've never heard of SMIDSY before either and I tend to bang on about the inherent dangers present at junctions rather than 'speeding'.

Vipers

32,867 posts

228 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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If you think people's basic knoweldge of the HC is poor (as I do), just ask some colleagues at work or mates to explain a box junction.

The majority say "You can't enter The box unless your exit is clear.", that is their concept of using a box junctions, which explains why where I live 9 times out of 10 only see one car on the box waiting to turn right, the others wait at, usually just before the yellow diagonal but far enough forward to block the crossing, and when the lights change we have people walking around these pillocks.

Highway Code rule 174 states:-

Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see ‘Road markings’). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.

I only quoted rule 174 and the bold because I found the first three Web sites on how to pass your test does NOT mention the bit in bold.

But it's not only us, plod came around last week to,do with my concern of contractors parking on a bend and junction, he mentioned "the speed some drivers drive at", I said "Especially as it's 20 past my house", to which he said "Is it", I said "yes, there is a 20 sign as you enter my road, been there about 20 years", we ain't all perfect after all. (majority of PH's excused of course) biggrin










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ilduce

485 posts

127 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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My brother went on one a few months ago. He said the craziest thing was when, before starting the course, the trainer asked if anyone present wasn't actually the person who was driving at the time of the offence, and if so they should leave the room and not do the course. FIVE people got up and left!

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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This is exactly why I believe the highway code should be on the national curriculum.

If we taught this stuff from primary school age - it would/should be well ingrained by the time somebody is old enough to get behind the wheel.


stargazer30

1,589 posts

166 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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miniman said:
  • Many had no idea what constitutes a dual carriageway
I got that one wrong on mine paperbag
You think it means two lanes both going the same way. You'd be wrong!

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

176 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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I'm on the course this saturday, 36in a 30.

I always say that we should be made to do a highway code/awareness test every 5 years.

Oilchange

8,447 posts

260 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Yep, I told a few people at work the (broad) definition and they all thought I was wrong/taking the pish. Challenged them to google it and they all went quiet...

stargazer30 said:
I got that one wrong on mine paperbag
You think it means two lanes both going the same way. You'd be wrong!

Vipers

32,867 posts

228 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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PAULJ5555 said:
I'm on the course this saturday, 36in a 30.

I always say that we should be made to do a highway code/awareness test every 5 years.
Good idea, but the numbers of drivers on our roads would make it almost impossible to police and administer.

Have you tried some of the online Q & A sites?

I do think the pass standard should be upped, especially on reversing.




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JumboBeef

3,772 posts

177 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Re: the two second rule. I was overtaken by a Porsche the other day on the motorway, he was doing triple figures.

I had a hell of a time keeping up.

mcflurry

9,086 posts

253 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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stargazer30 said:
miniman said:
  • Many had no idea what constitutes a dual carriageway
I got that one wrong on mine paperbag
You think it means two lanes both going the same way. You'd be wrong!
That lesson cost me £60 back in 2003.
Slowed down to 70 through the camera, and got pinged frown

Oilchange

8,447 posts

260 months

2.5pi

1,066 posts

182 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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ilduce said:
My brother went on one a few months ago. He said the craziest thing was when, before starting the course, the trainer asked if anyone present wasn't actually the person who was driving at the time of the offence, and if so they should leave the room and not do the course. FIVE people got up and left!
I take it the 5 registered keepers then got the points confused

Sheepshanks

32,718 posts

119 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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ilduce said:
My brother went on one a few months ago. He said the craziest thing was when, before starting the course, the trainer asked if anyone present wasn't actually the person who was driving at the time of the offence, and if so they should leave the room and not do the course. FIVE people got up and left!
I take what you've written at face value, but I've never heard of anything like that before - why would people get to that point, and then "confess" when a general question was asked?

miniman

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24,914 posts

262 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
ilduce said:
My brother went on one a few months ago. He said the craziest thing was when, before starting the course, the trainer asked if anyone present wasn't actually the person who was driving at the time of the offence, and if so they should leave the room and not do the course. FIVE people got up and left!
I take what you've written at face value, but I've never heard of anything like that before - why would people get to that point, and then "confess" when a general question was asked?
On my course, the instructor was very clear that if anyone was attending on behalf of the real driver, THEY would be committing an offence and then took us through the Chris Huhne / Vicky Price case (which is arguably rather different, but has the added bonus of jail time in the mix).

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

233 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
I take what you've written at face value, but I've never heard of anything like that before - why would people get to that point, and then "confess" when a general question was asked?
Because they are stupid and incompetent or possibly both. But at least they aren't the liars.

speedking31

3,556 posts

136 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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carinaman said:
I've never heard of SMIDSY before either ...
Robot Wars thumbup was where I first heard this abbreviation.

Swervin_Mervin

4,442 posts

238 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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stargazer30 said:
miniman said:
  • Many had no idea what constitutes a dual carriageway
I got that one wrong on mine paperbag
You think it means two lanes both going the same way. You'd be wrong!
It's fairly self descriptive.

From the comments I've seen from others who've been on these courses, I think I'd almost be tempted to take the points rather than spend an hour being reminded just how many people should be nowhere near a road.