Child being questioned in school

Child being questioned in school

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mehball

59 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Centurion07 said:
Yes, because as a 17 year old, being questioned by two adults in a serious manner, you would obviously know this & have enough composure to say "screw you guys, I'm outta here". rolleyes

I'm with Otolith on this.

If a spouse cannot be forced to give evidence against their partner in court, then surely this must be on very shaky ground also, morally anyway, if not legally.
A 17 year old is an adult (although not in law)! They are capable of making their own decisions. The door was their unlocked. Just leave and walk through it!

This is the UK though. No doubt the parents will be writing to the Daily Mail shouting "FALSE IMPRISONMENT" "ILLEGAL" "ASSAULT" "CHILD ABUSE" etc etc


ikarl

3,730 posts

200 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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mehball said:
Boohoo

Yes it's legal. The 17 year old could have easily walked out. The door wouldn't have been locked and she was't hand cuffed to a chair. If she answered questions then that's her own fault.
Don't think it's as simple as that.
It is an abuse of power as most teenagers actually respect their teachers and wouldn't walk out because it's not the 'right' thing to do.

Therefore, it's easy for you/us to say they should just walk out but when two adults are confronting a child (yes, yes I know, they're 17 - but still effectively a child) I think there is probably more in play than you're taking account of

mehball

59 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Abuse of power - Yes.
Illegal - No.

Take it up with the school. But for the love of god, save our taxes on such a trivial matter and leave the police to deal with serious crimes.

otolith

56,199 posts

205 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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It's not a police matter. It's a misconduct at work HR issue.

liner33

10,695 posts

203 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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The parent could raise a grievance and or complain to Headteacher or to Governors , she should also speak to her union if she is really concerned about it

Foliage

3,861 posts

123 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Id consider school in respect that its similar to a place of work (and in this case its not just pupil disciple that is being dealt with), acas guidelines should be followed strictly.

IMHO the mother should put in a grievance and the child should make a complaint to the board of trustee/governers.

waterwonder

995 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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These things are never straight forward and it's pretty difficult to speculate without more detail, however:

If it had been a normal member of staff then I would consider asking a student about them normal business. How else is a school expected to deal with or identify issues with conduct performance etc.

This item is slight contentious as it's the relationship between pupil and staff is not just professional. However I don't see (without knowing the circumstances) how that changes the fundamental nature of the enquiry. If anything I would say the mother has obviously put the kid in a tricky situation. If there was nothing to hide it sounds like there would be no issue.




Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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CoolHands said:
oh boo hoo

yes its legal. Take it up with the school. And no doubt ring the police to make a complaint.

Remember to update facebook status too.
Have you ever considered that you should just shut the fk up?

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Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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mehball said:
Boohoo

Yes it's legal. The 17 year old could have easily walked out. The door wouldn't have been locked and she was't hand cuffed to a chair. If she answered questions then that's her own fault.
Wow, you really are a proper weapons grade bellend aren't you.


Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Two teachers questioning a child about something the child has/is alleged to have done, or even another child is alleged to have done is fine as far as I am concerned. Questioning a child about what their parents have done in connection with a disciplinary offence is bang out of order.

To the usual "Billy big balls" characters on PH saying that the child could have simply walked out etc, you might want to actually know what you're talking about before you go talking crap. It is entirely possible for two older people in a postion of authority to assert dominance and in effect detain a student against her will without the need for physical restraint.

As for what the mother has done, it's irrellevant. If it was serious then the Police should have been involved. If it wasn't then the child should most certainly not been dragged into it.

dudleybloke

19,850 posts

187 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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A few people here need to re-read the op.

pinchmeimdreamin

9,966 posts

219 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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dudleybloke said:
A few people here need to re-read the op.
The bit where the child is a Boy ? or where he wanted to leave the room but wasn't allowed ?

dudleybloke

19,850 posts

187 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
The bit where the child is a Boy ? or where he wanted to leave the room but wasn't allowed ?
The sex change seemed to happen very fast!

Devil2575

13,400 posts

189 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
dudleybloke said:
A few people here need to re-read the op.
The bit where the child is a Boy ? or where he wanted to leave the room but wasn't allowed ?
overend said:
The child said clearly that he did not wish to answer questions and indicated that they wished to leave the interview. The questions continued for a further 15 minutes.
They wished to leave but the interview continued for a further 15 minutes does kind of imply that they were not allowed too or felt unable to leave.

PorkInsider

5,889 posts

142 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Devil2575 said:
CoolHands said:
oh boo hoo

yes its legal. Take it up with the school. And no doubt ring the police to make a complaint.

Remember to update facebook status too.
Have you ever considered that you should just shut the fk up?

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Couldnt have put it better myself.

julian64

14,317 posts

255 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Third hand account, no actual information, and all the PH experts are on the thread ready to throw toys at each other.

It feels like a popcorn moment to me smile.

Derek Smith

45,687 posts

249 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Fab32 said:
Derek if you are the safeguarding officer and what you have said is true you need to approach your club for some training.
Care to elaborate?


TankRizzo

7,278 posts

194 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Devil2575 said:
insults
Contributions from you in the last few threads you've posted in:

Devil2575 said:
Have you ever considered that you should just shut the fk up?
Devil2575 said:
Wow, you really are a proper weapons grade bellend aren't you.
Devil2575 said:
Is it that you are a big tt perhaps?
Devil2575 said:
Wow. You're a bit of a tt aren't you.

Oh and you're also talking complete bks.
Devil2575 said:
You really are a proper bellend aren't you.
Perhaps time to consider your posting style...?

Hackney

6,851 posts

209 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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TankRizzo said:
Perhaps time to consider your posting style...?
Based on the thread it's not him who needs to consider his posting style

Fab32

380 posts

134 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Derek Smith said:
Fab32 said:
Derek if you are the safeguarding officer and what you have said is true you need to approach your club for some training.
Care to elaborate?
Sure


As the designated safeguarding person for your organisation you should not be conducting safeguarding enquires and certainly should not be inviting parents and adults in for meetings if their are safeguarding concerns.

Also explaining to the child the concerns before speaking with them is not a good idea.