Scottish Drink Drving Chages

Scottish Drink Drving Chages

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tex200

438 posts

171 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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Corpulent Tosser said:
On the contrary, it most certainly is.
Well yes, provided you are under the relevant limit of course...

agtlaw

6,712 posts

206 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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tex200 said:
Well yes, provided you are under the relevant limit of course...
Of course, section 4 RTA 1988 doesn't have a "limit", but section 5 does.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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Corpulent Tosser said:
TooMany2cvs said:
It's really not a very hard concept - drink-driving is not legal anywhere in the UK.
On the contrary, it most certainly is.
Care to expand on that answer a bit?

rewc

2,187 posts

233 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
Care to expand on that answer a bit?
Perhaps he meant that you can drink and drive as long as you are not over the legal limit?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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rewc said:
Perhaps he meant that you can drink and drive as long as you are not over the legal limit?
Which, of course, isn't what is generally meant by "drink-drive", and clearly wasn't what was meant in the context...

Let me rephrase, if we're going to be pedantic :-
TooMany2cvs said:
It's really not a very hard concept - driving with a blood-alcohol level above the permitted limit is not legal anywhere in the UK.

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

245 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
Which, of course, isn't what is generally meant by "drink-drive", and clearly wasn't what was meant in the context...
Context ?

Drink driving means exactly that, and it is legal to drink alcohol and drive, it could of course be argued that drink drive could mean a soft drink, but that would be out of context.

Regardless my opinion of the new limit soon to be applied in Scotland remains the same.





Lordbenny

8,587 posts

219 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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If I get done for drink driving in Scotland for having 70mg in my blood (10mg under the English limit) will I receive a ban in England?

If yes, Can you explain why? if I get nicked in Poland I don't get a ban in England!

By the way...I don't make a habit of drink driving....just interested in Scotland's new law!

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Lordbenny said:
If yes, Can you explain why? if I get nicked in Poland I don't get a ban in England!
<sigh> It's not very hard. Poland is a different country to the UK.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,388 posts

150 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Lordbenny said:
If I get done for drink driving in Scotland for having 70mg in my blood (10mg under the English limit) will I receive a ban in England?

If yes, Can you explain why?
If I get banned for 60mph in a 20 limit, will my ban still apply on the motorway, where the limit is 70? Is so, why?

rolleyes


Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 5th December 11:15


Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 5th December 12:16

Nos Es Spurius

28 posts

127 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Lordbenny said:
If I get done for drink driving in Scotland for having 70mg in my blood (10mg under the English limit) will I receive a ban in England?

If yes, Can you explain why? if I get nicked in Poland I don't get a ban in England!

By the way...I don't make a habit of drink driving....just interested in Scotland's new law!
Due to the current mutual recognition of driving bans treaty If you get caught drink driving in Eire where the limit is also 50 mg , that ban is recognised by the DVLA so you would be banned in the UK for an offence in a completely different country. So why wouldn't a Scottish ban also apply? It's really not that difficult.

Lordbenny

8,587 posts

219 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Nos Es Spurius said:
Due to the current mutual recognition of driving bans treaty If you get caught drink driving in Eire where the limit is also 50 mg , that ban is recognised by the DVLA so you would be banned in the UK for an offence in a completely different country. So why wouldn't a Scottish ban also apply? It's really not that difficult.
Have you got a list of countries that are signed up to this 'driving bans treaty'?


briang9

3,297 posts

160 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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agtlaw said:
I have little doubt that there will be a legal challenge in due course. An English driver banned in Scotland/UK for 22-35ug in breath would be a likely candidate.
yes I suspect this will happen

Lordbenny

8,587 posts

219 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
If I get banned for 60mph in a 20 limit, will my ban still apply on the motorway, where the limit is 70? Is so, why?

rolleyes


Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 5th December 11:15


Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 5th December 12:16
If your going to make a sarky 'rolled eyes' jibe then at least use an analogy that works and isn't edited a couple of times before you think you're being clever!

rolleyes

Lordbenny

8,587 posts

219 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
<sigh> It's not very hard. Poland is a different country to the UK.
Hey Einstein...havnt you heard the UK isn't a country!

TwigtheWonderkid

43,388 posts

150 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Lordbenny said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If I get banned for 60mph in a 20 limit, will my ban still apply on the motorway, where the limit is 70? Is so, why?

rolleyes


Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 5th December 11:15


Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 5th December 12:16
If your going to make a sarky 'rolled eyes' jibe then at least use an analogy that works and isn't edited a couple of times before you think you're being clever!

rolleyes
Why doesn't my analogy work? You seem to be suggesting that a drink drive ban (in Scotland) maybe shouldn't apply in places where the level of alcohol you got done for would have been legal (England, Wales, N.I.)

If you're serious, then a speeding ban (60 in a 20 limit) shouldn't apply in places where the speed you were doing would have been legal (motorways).



Lordbenny

8,587 posts

219 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why doesn't my analogy work? You seem to be suggesting that a drink drive ban (in Scotland) maybe shouldn't apply in places where the level of alcohol you got done for would have been legal (England, Wales, N.I.)
Possibly, I think, as it has already been suggested, that this may well go to an English test court hearing.


TwigtheWonderKid] said:
If you're serious, then a speeding ban (60 in a 20 limit) shouldn't apply in places where the speed you were doing would have been legal (motorways).
Don't be rediculous!



Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

203 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Really surprised to not see any stops being carried out today (Edinburgh).

TwigtheWonderkid

43,388 posts

150 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Lordbenny said:
Don't be rediculous!
The word is ridiculous. And why is it ridiculous? Can you perhaps articulate your thought process. You may well be right, but at the moment I'm struggling to see the meaningful difference between the two scenarios.

You are punished for exceeding a particular limit (drink or speed) where that limit applies. The punishment should still apply even in places where the limit is higher. Seems obvious to me.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Lordbenny said:
TooMany2cvs said:
<sigh> It's not very hard. Poland is a different country to the UK.
Hey Einstein...havnt you heard the UK isn't a country!
Oh, this IS going to be good... rolleyes

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Nos Es Spurius said:
Due to the current mutual recognition of driving bans treaty If you get caught drink driving in Eire where the limit is also 50 mg , that ban is recognised by the DVLA so you would be banned in the UK for an offence in a completely different country. .
Not at the moment you don't