Scottish Drink Drving Chages

[XJ Flyer]

Dammit said:

Does the Scottish regulatory body have the power to impose a UK wide reduction?

Could it be that they are convinced that it will lead to fewer KSI's, and therefore that to not introduce it would be irresponsible, and therefore did so, even though it would lead to an imbalance in permitted levels of blood alcohol between Scotland and England?

OR, are you right and it's one big conspiracy to give you points on your licence for speeding in Bremen?

I think Germany's issue is more one of losing a German licence and right to drive in Germany etc for doing German type speeds on French autobahns.I think they see it ( rightly ) as an insult to the values of the Vaterland.So probably a bit like a Geordie being banned for having a pint on the wrong side of the border with Scotland.

[Dammit]

Surely the correct response to "I don't think I should be banned for driving in France as I do in Germany" would be "cry me a river"?

[TooMany2cvs]

Dammit said:

Does the Scottish regulatory body have the power to impose a UK wide reduction?

No, which is why they aren't.

[XJ Flyer]

Dammit said:

Surely the correct response to "I don't think I should be banned for driving in France as I do in Germany" would be "cry me a river"?

That would obviously depend on wether anyone agrees with the German view in that regard ( local ban is sufficient and proportional ) or the obvious UK EU federal licence penalty agenda.

[Dammit]

I would submit that it might make Herman the photocopier salesman from Frankfurt think twice before smashing it along the autoroute in his Mercedes, if when pulled by Thierry the Gendarme he has the points applied to his licence, and if banned it is pan-European.

[XJ Flyer]

TooMany2cvs said:

Dammit said:

Does the Scottish regulatory body have the power to impose a UK wide reduction?

No, which is why they aren't.

The real question in that case being the motives of the UK government in not applying the Scottish limit across the UK.I'd imagine the pub trade would find the move catastrophic.Just as the performance car market would assuming the UK government is successful in its aim of an EU federal licence penalty regime.

[Dammit]

I've run pubs, and the profit from coke outstrips that of beer to quite a staggering extent.

This won't impact pub profits in a negative way at all.

[agtlaw]

XJ Flyer said:

assuming the UK government is successful in its aim of an EU federal licence penalty regime.

Where are you getting this info from?

The pending EU cross-border enforcement of fines doesn't include points or demerit points.

[XJ Flyer]

Dammit said:

I would submit that it might make Herman the photocopier salesman from Frankfurt think twice before smashing it along the autoroute in his Mercedes, if when pulled by Thierry the Gendarme he has the points applied to his licence, and if banned it is pan-European.

So although we obviously don't agree on the idea of hitting German etc motorists at home for offences committed outside the country.We obviously seem to be agree on the likely motives of the UK in all this in trying export its war on the motorist agenda across the channel.Ironically,hopefully from my point of view,the Germans will win this argument as they do in most other matters regarding the EU.

[XJ Flyer]

agtlaw said:

XJ Flyer said:

assuming the UK government is successful in its aim of an EU federal licence penalty regime.

Where are you getting this info from?

The pending EU cross-border enforcement of fines doesn't include points or demerit points.

It would be fair to say that the UK objection and,so far,opt out is because it wants a federal cross border licence penalty regime as well as fines whereas the Germans want just the fines.I've posted a link previously elsewhere which seems to confirm that position of the UK government.

www.blogs.findlaw.co.uk/solicitor/2014/05/eu-court...


Tomothy Kirthorpe Con MEP ''The UK decided not in our interests to take part because it seeks to impose fines when 'other deterrents' such as points would be more effective''.

All that from the party that 'said' pre election its war against the motorist was over.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 6th December 22:29

[Dammit]

I think you are trying to force your own interpretation on the Scottish drink driving thing, and it's not sitting easily with the observable facts.

It's got quite a high lizard-people score, currently.

Do you have anything a little more direct to support your position?

[agtlaw]

XJ Flyer said:

It would be fair to say that the UK objection and,so far,opt out is because it wants a federal cross border licence penalty regime as well as fines whereas the Germans want just the fines.I've posted a link previously elsewhere which seems to confirm that position of the UK government.

I'd be interested to see that link. If true then this is news to me.

[XJ Flyer]

agtlaw said:

XJ Flyer said:

It would be fair to say that the UK objection and,so far,opt out is because it wants a federal cross border licence penalty regime as well as fines whereas the Germans want just the fines.I've posted a link previously elsewhere which seems to confirm that position of the UK government.

I'd be interested to see that link. If true then this is news to me.

Re posted above.

[stevensdrs]

Dammit said:

I've run pubs, and the profit from coke outstrips that of beer to quite a staggering extent.

This won't impact pub profits in a negative way at all.

Assuming people bother to turn up to drink the coke. If not then it will have a detrimental effect on pubs.

[XJ Flyer]

Dammit said:

I think you are trying to force your own interpretation on the Scottish drink driving thing, and it's not sitting easily with the observable facts.

It's got quite a high lizard-people score, currently.

Do you have anything a little more direct to support your position?

An engineered situation that just coincidently sets a precedent whereby UK drivers can be banned for a local offence within the UK that is legal in England but unreasonably not legal in Scotland and that just happens to be consistent with the UK's objections to the EU's penalty regime because it doesn't issue cross border bans for local transgressions.Seems more like smoking gun than lizards to me.

[agtlaw]

XJ Flyer said:

Re posted above.

Thanks for the link. Things have moved on since then. The UK government isn't pursuing a policy of cross-border endorsement of driving licences (in continental Europe).

[XJ Flyer]

agtlaw said:

XJ Flyer said:

Re posted above.

Thanks for the link. Things have moved on since then. The UK government isn't pursuing a policy of cross-border endorsement of driving licences (in continental Europe).

Thanks for that information 'if' that is right then that would be a game changer in regards to all my previous posts which were based on that premise and would obviously fit in with the German position.Which leaves the question of what changed and when in that regard and the out of synch UK Scottish drink drive limits seem to make no sense at all in that case.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Dammit said:

I've run pubs, and the profit from coke outstrips that of beer to quite a staggering extent.

There's a lot of money in that white powder.

[TooMany2cvs]

agtlaw said:

The UK government isn't pursuing a policy of cross-border endorsement of driving licences (in continental Europe).

More's the pity.

TBH, I'd have thought the anti-EU people would be keen on it, all those Poles/Romanians/Baby-eating Martians coming over here with clean driving licences... Harrumph.

Oh, wait. It's different that way round, isn't it?

[Dammit]

I'd like Forrins to be banned everywhere for being naughty, but I'd like to be able to break their laws with impunity.

I think that's quite straightforward.