Hare-brained safety 'improvement' scheme results in tragedy
Discussion
Phatboy317 said:
singlecoil said:
But you are not stating facts, you are offering opinions, which will clearly be different to those of the people you are complaining about. You are putting your opinions as facts but that doesn't make them into facts. If you want to do that, you need to provide evidence.
But maybe you are here just to have a little rant and to get the agreement of a few posters who hold similar views to your own, and are happy to leave the rest of us utterly unconvinced, you are 'preaching to the converted', in other words.
EvidenceBut maybe you are here just to have a little rant and to get the agreement of a few posters who hold similar views to your own, and are happy to leave the rest of us utterly unconvinced, you are 'preaching to the converted', in other words.
What are you here for?
To draw attention to the weakness of your arguments.
Phatboy317 said:
Dammit said:
What about the coach full of children that the lorry pulled out into? WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN YOU'VE JUST KILLED?
You've shown yourself to be nothing more than an odious little troll - I have nothing more to say to you
OpulentBob said:
Evidence of what? A 50mph/30mph limit change?
Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired. Or you're psychic and we're not. Or, troll.
Evidence that rs1952 was not lying, as you would have seen had you read it in context.Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired. Or you're psychic and we're not. Or, troll.
Edited by Phatboy317 on Thursday 20th November 13:26
Phatboy317 said:
OpulentBob said:
Evidence of what? A 50mph/30mph limit change?
Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired. Or you're psychic and we're not. Or, troll.
Evidence that rs1952 was not lying, as you would have seen had you read it in context.Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired. Or you're psychic and we're not. Or, troll.
Edited by Phatboy317 on Thursday 20th November 13:26
Anyway, I don't really care. I'm gonna carry on designing roads how I do. Any email or correspondence I get which accuses me of having BLOOD ON MY HANDS!!! gets automatically disregarded.
You carry on frothing at the mouth, and no doubt whinging about the local CLOWNCIL on the local newspaper comments section.
I bet you find that the inquest of the deathcrash was not the fault of the designers or the road, but a fault of the driver of one or other of the cars involved. If it's a fault of the designer, then under current legislation, they will end up in the dock.
I bet you £20 that this doesn't happen in the next 2 years.
TooMany2cvs said:
rs1952 said:
with an NSL applying.
Street lights, no repeater signs?
Just to clarify for Mr CVs - when I lived there in the 1970s it was NSL. Later it was dropped to 50.
I posted a screenshot of the junction where the accident occurred, Cotswold Road/ Hounds Road. The fact that you couldn't see repeaters in that particular screenshot means nothing of course, because repeaters will often be out of shot when you take a snapshot of a bit of road.
I did not consider that Mr CVs was accusing me of lying, but it is fairly clear that he ought to have done just a little bit more research before he posted
rs1952 said:
I posted a screenshot of the junction where the accident occurred, Cotswold Road/ Hounds Road.
The same junction as I'd linked to a couple of posts earlier, yep.rs1952 said:
The fact that you couldn't see repeaters in that particular screenshot means nothing of course, because repeaters will often be out of shot when you take a snapshot of a bit of road.
I'd had a brief wander up the road on Streetview, but hadn't seen any repeaters. Having a more extensive wander shows why - there are very, VERY few!rs1952 said:
I did not consider that Mr CVs was accusing me of lying
Well, that's OK then, because I wasn't...rs1952 said:
but it is fairly clear that he ought to have done just a little bit more research before he posted
Short of popping down there... Hmm. There's a thought. I've not seen the uncle who lives in Sodding Chipbury for a good few years.Still, one thing everybody in this thread seems to agree on is that phatboy is a bit of a phrothing phoamer, and that it's VERY unlikely that his clearly much-hated re-marking is to blame for this incident.
Whilst it's a tragic accident there is plenty of distance, ~200m from Hounds round to the brow of the hill on the A432 from which you'd be able to see vehicles approaching.
I don't think blame can be apportioned to the 'harebrained' scheme, more likely the car has misjudged the speed and or distance of the approaching vehicle.
They have successfully made a confusing road layout there though, you get the inevitable late merger from the Yate direction where it filters down to 2 lanes and then when it splits to two lanes at the roundabout you get people in the wrong lane.
I don't think blame can be apportioned to the 'harebrained' scheme, more likely the car has misjudged the speed and or distance of the approaching vehicle.
They have successfully made a confusing road layout there though, you get the inevitable late merger from the Yate direction where it filters down to 2 lanes and then when it splits to two lanes at the roundabout you get people in the wrong lane.
OpulentBob said:
FYI, a dual carriageway with a 50mph speed limit requires central reservation safety fence if the central reservation is less than 10m wide (iirc - it might be 5m) to prevent crossover accidents at huge closing speeds. So, your "single lane roads usually don't have a big barrier running down the centre, so people have room to swerve out if necessary" above is incorrect. You are confusing single lane with single carriageway.
I'm not sure if I'm reading your message correctly, but what do you make of this?https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9146755,-1.43990...
I live just down the road and when we first moved here 26 years ago this was an NSL. reduced to 50mph but after the consideration of an inept bunch they reduced it to 40mph but took the opportunity to use gallons of paint to reduce a dual carrigeway to a single road that weaves from side to side, with a cycle lane and in what was the old carrigeway a bay for a camera van.
Many at the time said this would happen but this was ignored.
Now clearly we have no facts other than two people have tragically died, blood on their hands? I think no will be the answer, but deluded self important people who ignore logic most definitely.
Many at the time said this would happen but this was ignored.
Now clearly we have no facts other than two people have tragically died, blood on their hands? I think no will be the answer, but deluded self important people who ignore logic most definitely.
It is also quoted as an accident black spot, years ago you could pull across the duel carriageway turning right, there was a couple of accidents there. Also a couple of kids from the school have been injured as they climbed over the railings instead of using the underpass (still do). When they were justifying this they went back as far as they needed to make the figures work and extended the area from the end of Yate up to Old Sodbury.
spaximus said:
It is also quoted as an accident black spot, years ago you could pull across the duel carriageway turning right, there was a couple of accidents there. Also a couple of kids from the school have been injured as they climbed over the railings instead of using the underpass (still do). When they were justifying this they went back as far as they needed to make the figures work and extended the area from the end of Yate up to Old Sodbury.
The right turn across that road was part of my commute home (1977 to 1979) and I'm still here to tell the tale.Mind you, I was once in a car driven by somebody else late one night who managed to not realise that it was a DC and turned right onto the eastbound lane...
Suffice to say he wasn't there long - there were no railings between the two carriageways back then
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