Coppers confessing
Discussion
Eclassy said:
In evidence, PC Niedzwiecka recalled: “A male answered. He was sleepy, drunk and confused. His face was red and I could smell alcohol from him. He and Constable Carmichael clearly knew each other.
“We went back to the police car and he told the controller there had been no reply. I was shocked and surprised as it was a lie. We sat there in silence, then I said, ‘it stinks’.
“He replied, ‘you don’t want to grass on another cop or you have no future in the police if something like that happens.’”
The bolded statement I feel is one of the biggest problems with the police. That unwritten code to protect each other regardless of being in the wrong or right.
Biggest problem with the Police?, so you're implying most would be willing to risk their jobs and wage to cover up for some drink driving moron? “We went back to the police car and he told the controller there had been no reply. I was shocked and surprised as it was a lie. We sat there in silence, then I said, ‘it stinks’.
“He replied, ‘you don’t want to grass on another cop or you have no future in the police if something like that happens.’”
The bolded statement I feel is one of the biggest problems with the police. That unwritten code to protect each other regardless of being in the wrong or right.
I can't say I've ever worked with anyone that would do anything like that and if I did I'd be taking the appropriate action against them.
Greendubber said:
Eclassy said:
In evidence, PC Niedzwiecka recalled: “A male answered. He was sleepy, drunk and confused. His face was red and I could smell alcohol from him. He and Constable Carmichael clearly knew each other.
“We went back to the police car and he told the controller there had been no reply. I was shocked and surprised as it was a lie. We sat there in silence, then I said, ‘it stinks’.
“He replied, ‘you don’t want to grass on another cop or you have no future in the police if something like that happens.’”
The bolded statement I feel is one of the biggest problems with the police. That unwritten code to protect each other regardless of being in the wrong or right.
Biggest problem with the Police?, so you're implying most would be willing to risk their jobs and wage to cover up for some drink driving moron? “We went back to the police car and he told the controller there had been no reply. I was shocked and surprised as it was a lie. We sat there in silence, then I said, ‘it stinks’.
“He replied, ‘you don’t want to grass on another cop or you have no future in the police if something like that happens.’”
The bolded statement I feel is one of the biggest problems with the police. That unwritten code to protect each other regardless of being in the wrong or right.
I can't say I've ever worked with anyone that would do anything like that and if I did I'd be taking the appropriate action against them.
Eclassy said:
The bolded statement I feel is one of the biggest problems with the police. That unwritten code to protect each other regardless of being in the wrong or right.
Cat
Cat said:
It's a good theory except the reported case directly contradicts your claim. Who do you think initially reported PC Carmichael? Who followed up the initial report? Who gave evidence against him at the trial? Yep other police officers.
Cat
Spin it all you want but the truth is there for all to see. From De Menezes to Plebgate and from Ian Tomlinson to Stephen Lawrence. The police will lie to protect one another.Cat
I know the vast majority of people who join the service go in with noble intentions but once you get in and become a fully fledged member of the gang, it takes extreme courage as displayed by PC Niedzwiecka (was still in her probation period so maybe safe to assume she hadnt been indoctrinated) to go against the grain.
Not that many years ago I used to play pub football with a sergeant of a London suburb, who told us quite a few eye opening things.
One of the things he told us was how they tax the drugs they seize in drug busts as the drug dealers never complain when it gets to court that they actually had more drugs than is declared in the evidence. He told us that police officers were like civilians and had a stressful job, that just like civvies some of them liked to relax with a smoke or some coke so it was given to them. He also told him that very occassionally if they had raided someone who they knew was up to it but had outwitted them and had nothing on them they would sometimes plant some on him.
I don't believe the police are anywhere near as corrupt as they were in the past, there are a few bad apples but it's massively better than before. I have a fair few eastern European friends and they are very surprised whenever they have any encounters with the UK police as they're expecting to have to pay a bribe or a trumped up on the spot fine so are surprised when this does not happen.
One of the things he told us was how they tax the drugs they seize in drug busts as the drug dealers never complain when it gets to court that they actually had more drugs than is declared in the evidence. He told us that police officers were like civilians and had a stressful job, that just like civvies some of them liked to relax with a smoke or some coke so it was given to them. He also told him that very occassionally if they had raided someone who they knew was up to it but had outwitted them and had nothing on them they would sometimes plant some on him.
I don't believe the police are anywhere near as corrupt as they were in the past, there are a few bad apples but it's massively better than before. I have a fair few eastern European friends and they are very surprised whenever they have any encounters with the UK police as they're expecting to have to pay a bribe or a trumped up on the spot fine so are surprised when this does not happen.
There is another report (admittedly, in the Daily Mail) today which has the potential to be far more serious for all involved:
The South Wales Mandy Power murders: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845510/Wh...
I don't suppose there is a high likelihood of any coppers confessing to this one, but it'll be interesting to hear the CCRC conclusion and, if applicable, the outcome of a further appeal.
The South Wales Mandy Power murders: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845510/Wh...
I don't suppose there is a high likelihood of any coppers confessing to this one, but it'll be interesting to hear the CCRC conclusion and, if applicable, the outcome of a further appeal.
So one police officer, still in their probation, dealt with this all by themselves with no assistance from any other officers because they're all indoctrinated? Pull the other one.
One officer did something stupid and illegal, now as a result of the actions of other police officers that person stands to loose their job and will likely go to jail. Hardly indicative of a culture of closing rank and cover ups.
Cat
One officer did something stupid and illegal, now as a result of the actions of other police officers that person stands to loose their job and will likely go to jail. Hardly indicative of a culture of closing rank and cover ups.
Cat
Eclassy said:
Spin it all you want but the truth is there for all to see. From De Menezes to Plebgate and from Ian Tomlinson to Stephen Lawrence. The police will lie to protect one another.
I know the vast majority of people who join the service go in with noble intentions but once you get in and become a fully fledged member of the gang, it takes extreme courage as displayed by PC Niedzwiecka (was still in her probation period so maybe safe to assume she hadnt been indoctrinated) to go against the grain.
You're a laugh a minute. Fair play to you. I know the vast majority of people who join the service go in with noble intentions but once you get in and become a fully fledged member of the gang, it takes extreme courage as displayed by PC Niedzwiecka (was still in her probation period so maybe safe to assume she hadnt been indoctrinated) to go against the grain.
I'll have to watch that programme on catch up. Sounds entertaining (if quite disturbing). It all makes it sound as if the Sweeney was a documentary, not fiction!
I've only personally ever had dealings with the police as a witness and found them perfectly professional, however I certainly know for sure that corruption went on.
Many years back my old man got done for drink driving (he wasn't actually driving, but that's a different story). About five years after he served his ban we met my mum's cousin at a car auction in Chelmsford. Now, although not a high ranking officer, he had served in the Met for a long time and was known to pretty much every policeman in England thanks to his position in a certain organisation. My old man told him about his drink driving episode and my mum's cousin said "You should have called me when it happened, I would've got you off that"
I've only personally ever had dealings with the police as a witness and found them perfectly professional, however I certainly know for sure that corruption went on.
Many years back my old man got done for drink driving (he wasn't actually driving, but that's a different story). About five years after he served his ban we met my mum's cousin at a car auction in Chelmsford. Now, although not a high ranking officer, he had served in the Met for a long time and was known to pretty much every policeman in England thanks to his position in a certain organisation. My old man told him about his drink driving episode and my mum's cousin said "You should have called me when it happened, I would've got you off that"
dacouch said:
He also told him that very occassionally if they had raided someone who they knew was up to it but had outwitted them and had nothing on them they would sometimes plant some on him.
I had a similar experience less than 10 years ago but in my case money was removed from my property but not recorded. It was obvious this was theft but the police made up some story, refunded my money and no one was punished.How do you explain a member of a raid team going into a cupboard, sees an envelope containing a few hundred pounds and dollars, removes the pounds, leaves the dollars and returns the envelope? If the officer thought the money was proceeds of crime I would have expected all the money to be removed and recorded on the property sheet that was left.
The biggest problem for the police is not having bad apples, it is protecting and giving succor to those bad apples.
Eclassy said:
I had a similar experience less than 10 years ago but in my case money was removed from my property but not recorded. It was obvious this was theft but the police made up some story, refunded my money and no one was punished.
How do you explain a member of a raid team going into a cupboard, sees an envelope containing a few hundred pounds and dollars, removes the pounds, leaves the dollars and returns the envelope? If the officer thought the money was proceeds of crime I would have expected all the money to be removed and recorded on the property sheet that was left.
The biggest problem for the police is not having bad apples, it is protecting and giving succor to those bad apples.
I suggest you go back to the Utopia from whence you came. This country clearly isn't good enough for you, what with all the corruption around.How do you explain a member of a raid team going into a cupboard, sees an envelope containing a few hundred pounds and dollars, removes the pounds, leaves the dollars and returns the envelope? If the officer thought the money was proceeds of crime I would have expected all the money to be removed and recorded on the property sheet that was left.
The biggest problem for the police is not having bad apples, it is protecting and giving succor to those bad apples.
(Or go and live with Carinaman. You'd have a whale of a time)
Elroy Blue said:
I suggest you go back to the Utopia from whence you came. This country clearly isn't good enough for you, what with all the corruption around.
It took a long time to come but I always expected a bigoted response like this. Makes me chuckle.I am surprised you didnt say I am lying and its story number 53. Why is it so hard for PH police to admit that some of theirs are corrupt? Is it that indoctrination I talked about earlier?
And for your info, I am British now, my kids are also so I am afraid you are stuck on this little island with me. That 'go back to your country' ish aint gonna work.
You clearly hate it here. It must be so terrible for you.
As somebody once said to you, just swivel.
Police Officer are some of the most dedicated and hard working people it has been my privilege to meet. They do more in a day to help the community than you'll do in a lifetime with all your whinging and 'woe is me'. You were comedy gold. Now you're just pathetic.
As somebody once said to you, just swivel.
Police Officer are some of the most dedicated and hard working people it has been my privilege to meet. They do more in a day to help the community than you'll do in a lifetime with all your whinging and 'woe is me'. You were comedy gold. Now you're just pathetic.
I think you (once again) misinterpret Elroy. You seem so disgusted with this country and how it is run and policed that it may seem to some that you aren't happy here. Which begs the question that Elroy posed.
You're completely blinkered in your views. Not one cop on here is saying there aren't any corrupt officers. There are and always will be. What we are saying is that the vast majority are completely honest and genuine.
The chip on your shoulder seems to grow by the day, and your endless stories of negative experience get tedious.
You're completely blinkered in your views. Not one cop on here is saying there aren't any corrupt officers. There are and always will be. What we are saying is that the vast majority are completely honest and genuine.
The chip on your shoulder seems to grow by the day, and your endless stories of negative experience get tedious.
I think you (once again) misinterpret Elroy. You seem so disgusted with this country and how it is run and policed that it may seem to some that you aren't happy here. Which begs the question that Elroy posed.
You're completely blinkered in your views. Not one cop on here is saying there aren't any corrupt officers. There are and always will be. What we are saying is that the vast majority are completely honest and genuine.
The chip on your shoulder seems to grow by the day, and your endless stories of negative experience get tedious.
ETA: I think his suggestion you live with Carinaman was one step too far, and he's a bit out of order with that point. No one deserves that fate.
You're completely blinkered in your views. Not one cop on here is saying there aren't any corrupt officers. There are and always will be. What we are saying is that the vast majority are completely honest and genuine.
The chip on your shoulder seems to grow by the day, and your endless stories of negative experience get tedious.
ETA: I think his suggestion you live with Carinaman was one step too far, and he's a bit out of order with that point. No one deserves that fate.
Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Sunday 23 November 20:50
Rovinghawk said:
Do you not agree, though, that there seem to be a lot of occasions where wrongdoing by one is covered up by others?
No. I do not agree. Actually, let me rephrase that. I agree it SEEMS that a lot of wrongdoing by one is being covered up. It SEEMS this way, because the press love reporting this kind of story. If you were to compare it to the amount of things that aren't covered up, I'm confident it would be a tiny fraction. People tend to read the Daily Fail and assume that because one of their over dramatised articles makes the most of one or two occasions, that the problem is huge. It's not. There are thousands and thousands of police officers in the UK. A minute amount of them are corrupt and dishonest. Problem is, people like our learned friends on here, can only focus on these money making, propaganda-esque stories as it reinforcers their hatred/negative image of the Police.Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Sunday 23 November 22:56
Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Sunday 23 November 22:57
^^ This. And then someone like Eclassy comes along and tries to claim a story such as this, which shows a police officer addressing wrongdoing by a colleague, which has been followed up by other officers and that will result in dismissal and possible jail time for the offender, is evidence of police covering up wrongful actions.
If it wasn't so farcical it would be laughable.
Cat
If it wasn't so farcical it would be laughable.
Cat
Edited by Cat on Sunday 23 November 23:15
Rovinghawk said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
What we are saying is that the vast majority are completely honest and genuine.
Do you not agree, though, that there seem to be a lot of occasions where wrongdoing by one is covered up by others? 
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