These cranky new pedestrian crossings

[anonymous-user]

grumpy52 said:

As for the sight barriers built on the approach to roundabouts , what the juddering fu#k !

http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards/dmrb/vol6/section2/td1607.pdf

Para 8.8

(Written by the TRL, before further accusation)

Regarding the belisha beacons, do you mean these?:



They're bloody brilliant.

[covboy]

I like the Spanish crossings with the countdown LED timers. Watching folk who realise they aren’t quite as quick on their feet as they thought they were, dashing to make the last few feet in the last few seconds !!

[Fastpedeller]

OpulentBob said:

Fastpedeller said:

Council folk who made the decision should be sacked or forced to pay for their folly - not rewarded with bonuses or golden handshakes!

What Council have you ever had experience of that does this?

I've had zero. And I've worked in local authorities for YEARS. I'm not aware of a single council employee ever getting a non-promotional bonus.

To the people frothing about all this, the crossings are not designed by the guys that specify their installation. Installations are heavily regulated, even before they're suggested for public use. Once designed, and pre-installation, they are fully safety-audited. And again, once installed. And then again, after it's been in use for a couple of months. And then AGAIN, after it's been in use for a year or so.

But there's no point saying all this, becuase one of the usual suspects will come along soon and say that it's all incompetence, deliberately trying to kill kids, blood on our hands etc.

http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards...

Have a read of this. Or don't and carry on bhing. Whatever.

Norfolk County Council 'let a member go' a couple of years ago who had been incompetent and was rewarded with his pension and over 250k for this. Bunch of parasites all after their own ends. They've just recently given 700K to a pension fund of a local charity, against the wishes of the Labour Councillors, and in a 'behind closed doors - excluding the public' meeting.
Have a read of this...
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/behind_closed...

[herewego]

Fastpedeller said:

OpulentBob said:

Fastpedeller said:

Council folk who made the decision should be sacked or forced to pay for their folly - not rewarded with bonuses or golden handshakes!

What Council have you ever had experience of that does this?

I've had zero. And I've worked in local authorities for YEARS. I'm not aware of a single council employee ever getting a non-promotional bonus.

To the people frothing about all this, the crossings are not designed by the guys that specify their installation. Installations are heavily regulated, even before they're suggested for public use. Once designed, and pre-installation, they are fully safety-audited. And again, once installed. And then again, after it's been in use for a couple of months. And then AGAIN, after it's been in use for a year or so.

But there's no point saying all this, becuase one of the usual suspects will come along soon and say that it's all incompetence, deliberately trying to kill kids, blood on our hands etc.

http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards...

Have a read of this. Or don't and carry on bhing. Whatever.

Norfolk County Council 'let a member go' a couple of years ago who had been incompetent and was rewarded with his pension and over 250k for this. Bunch of parasites all after their own ends. They've just recently given 700K to a pension fund of a local charity, against the wishes of the Labour Councillors, and in a 'behind closed doors - excluding the public' meeting.
Have a read of this...
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/behind_closed...

Although they say it will save 311k/year?

[singlecoil]

Fastpedeller said:

OpulentBob said:

Fastpedeller said:

Council folk who made the decision should be sacked or forced to pay for their folly - not rewarded with bonuses or golden handshakes!

What Council have you ever had experience of that does this?

I've had zero. And I've worked in local authorities for YEARS. I'm not aware of a single council employee ever getting a non-promotional bonus.

To the people frothing about all this, the crossings are not designed by the guys that specify their installation. Installations are heavily regulated, even before they're suggested for public use. Once designed, and pre-installation, they are fully safety-audited. And again, once installed. And then again, after it's been in use for a couple of months. And then AGAIN, after it's been in use for a year or so.

But there's no point saying all this, becuase one of the usual suspects will come along soon and say that it's all incompetence, deliberately trying to kill kids, blood on our hands etc.

http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards...

Have a read of this. Or don't and carry on bhing. Whatever.

Norfolk County Council 'let a member go' a couple of years ago who had been incompetent and was rewarded with his pension and over 250k for this. Bunch of parasites all after their own ends. They've just recently given 700K to a pension fund of a local charity, against the wishes of the Labour Councillors, and in a 'behind closed doors - excluding the public' meeting.
Have a read of this...
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/behind_closed...

Are you sure you grasp the difference between a council employee and a councillor?

[Fastpedeller]

singlecoil said:

Are you sure you grasp the difference between a council employee and a councillor?

Looks like the press are confused as well.........

A behind closed doors decision by county councillors to award a Norfolk charity £700,000 to help tackle its pension deficit has been criticised as “scandalous” by opposition councillors.


Norfolk County Council agreed to make the award to Age UK Norfolk at a private meeting, with no members of the public allowed to be present, last year.

In the first sentence they are county councillors, in the second Norfolk County Council, If I'm confused it's with good reason

[singlecoil]

Fastpedeller said:

In the first sentence they are county councillors, in the second Norfolk County Council, If I'm confused it's with good reason

You are indeed confused, but not, in this case, with good reason. A council is made up of councillors. That's what it is.

[grumpy52]

OpulentBob said:

grumpy52 said:

As for the sight barriers built on the approach to roundabouts , what the juddering fu#k !

http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards/dmrb/vol6/section2/td1607.pdf

Para 8.8

(Written by the TRL, before further accusation)

Regarding the belisha beacons, do you mean these?:



They're bloody brilliant.

Are these the ones with LED's in the white sections of the pole ?
Might be ok in well lit areas but quite distracting when in low light areas.

[Fastpedeller]

Fastpedeller said:

singlecoil said:

Are you sure you grasp the difference between a council employee and a councillor?

Looks like the press are confused as well.........

A behind closed doors decision by county councillors to award a Norfolk charity £700,000 to help tackle its pension deficit has been criticised as “scandalous” by opposition councillors.


Norfolk County Council agreed to make the award to Age UK Norfolk at a private meeting, with no members of the public allowed to be present, last year.

In the first sentence they are county councillors, in the second Norfolk County Council, If I'm confused it's with good reason

So who is responsible for pissing our money away? Councillors, Council Employees or the faceless County Council - Someone is responsible! They can't all hide behind the Corporation or each other surely.

[oyster]

grumbledoak said:

Crossing the road. A simple idea made complicated by idiots.

Zebra crossings work about as well as any crossing could work.

They would work if all drivers/riders/cyclists actually stopped instead of assuming they are more important than pedestrians.

[grumbledoak]

oyster said:

They would work if all drivers/riders/cyclists actually stopped instead of assuming they are more important than pedestrians.

That is why a Zebra crossing leaves it to the pedestrian to check before they leave the safety of the pavement.

As the control freaks are slowly learning from the Pelican crossings, red lights are no guarantee that road users are going to stop either, and mindlessly displaying a green man as if the road traffic has stopped can give a false sense of security. So the idiots respond my making the crossings more and more complicated.

[singlecoil]

The central idea of pedestrian controlled crossings as opposed to zebra crossings is that it makes pedestrians wait, and keeps the traffic flowing up til the point at which the lights change, the traffic stops and pedestrians cross, usually in a bunch if it's a busy area (most PCCs are in busy areas). If ZCs were placed in busy areas there would be no reason for pedestrians to wait, and they would simply step onto the crossings forcing the vast majority of drivers to stop.

PCCs are about keeping the traffic flowing better in busy areas, alterations to PCCs are about making them even safer (as well as causing injuries, accidents on crossings severely mess up the traffic flow).

[Swervin_Mervin]

The tard is strong in this thread. Maybe those struggling to use any form of crossing should consider whether they ought to be walking anywhere - you're clearly a liability to yourself.