Neighbours and private unallocated parking
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I'd bring it to your landlord's attention again. If it I something which might make you consider moving on, then he/she may be more interested in sorting it out. If it is an issue for you, then it will most likely be the same for any future tenants, and the landlord may find that his turnover of tenants is very high.
Unfortunately I don't think your landlord is under any obligation to assist you, unless the property was advertised with allocated parking, which it sounds like it isn't.
Good luck.
Unfortunately I don't think your landlord is under any obligation to assist you, unless the property was advertised with allocated parking, which it sounds like it isn't.
Good luck.
Thanks for all the replies.
No one would have any want or need to park here if they didn't live in one of the 8 houses in the courtyard. It's at the end of a mile long cul de sac with all the houses on the way in having space on the drive for 5+ cars and double garages.
I'm sad to say that "the gang" are extremely likely to ignore any nice letters from you.
Let me guess, none of them have spoken to you face to face? Usually the next step is keying your car so preempt a face to face meeting before this starts. You're certainly not going to make any friends here but don't feel upset as the neighbours who feel that they own the place clearly don't care.
If asserting some authority/reason doesn't work then get nasty.
This is the concern... I don't want to escalate it to stupidity.
I think the cars might have a fair bit to do with why we're being seen as easy targets. Neither are of great value, both are over 10 years old but are in immaculate condition and fairly obviously cared for.
One car is now fine - Cleared the garage out today and the OH's car will be kept in there. We had avoided using this as we both work nights and are both on call when not working nights. How long would you give it before we get a complaint about the noise of the garage door being opened at fairly regularly at unsociable hours? Maybe the catalyst some need to behave reasonably?
Letter has also been dropped round.
Blaster72 said:
Have you spoken to the ones who leave notes and block you in or are they too cowardly to identify themselves?
If you have spoken to them, what reason do they give?
Perhaps they don't recognise your car and think it's someone who doesn't live there just dumping the car?
At my place all the spaces are numbered but for God knows what reason the numbers don't correspond to the flat numbers so whenever someone new moves in there's always a bit of confusion.
We never resort to petty notes or blocking in though, we just pop round and say hello and let them know which spot is there's.
7 months left is a long time to be messing about getting the run around
Only one neighbour is happy to discuss it and that would be the same one that us blocked in - waste of time/energy with this one. The rest all just claim ''that's someone else's space type thing''If you have spoken to them, what reason do they give?
Perhaps they don't recognise your car and think it's someone who doesn't live there just dumping the car?
At my place all the spaces are numbered but for God knows what reason the numbers don't correspond to the flat numbers so whenever someone new moves in there's always a bit of confusion.
We never resort to petty notes or blocking in though, we just pop round and say hello and let them know which spot is there's.
7 months left is a long time to be messing about getting the run around
No one would have any want or need to park here if they didn't live in one of the 8 houses in the courtyard. It's at the end of a mile long cul de sac with all the houses on the way in having space on the drive for 5+ cars and double garages.
1Addicted said:
Foliage said:
Simple answer is to put your house number on all and any spaces that don't already have a number on, then start leaving notes for them and blocking them in. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
For extra f
k you factor, install drop bollards.
Fight fire with fire For extra f
k you factor, install drop bollards.I'm sad to say that "the gang" are extremely likely to ignore any nice letters from you.
Let me guess, none of them have spoken to you face to face? Usually the next step is keying your car so preempt a face to face meeting before this starts. You're certainly not going to make any friends here but don't feel upset as the neighbours who feel that they own the place clearly don't care.
If asserting some authority/reason doesn't work then get nasty.
Edited by 1Addicted on Monday 24th November 12:24
Red Devil said:
Who do you pay the rent to: the landlord direct or a letting agent? If it's the former, unless he himself is renting and sub-letting he will definitely know and appears to be being deliberately awkward by not telling you. If the latter, they will too, so ask them.
Direct to the landlord who is down as the owner on land registry. I get the impression he lived her for a fairly long time and may well be friendly with the lot so is trying to wash his hands of being made to be the middle man/bad guy.gsr121 said:
I'd bring it to your landlord's attention again. If it I something which might make you consider moving on, then he/she may be more interested in sorting it out. If it is an issue for you, then it will most likely be the same for any future tenants, and the landlord may find that his turnover of tenants is very high.
Unfortunately I don't think your landlord is under any obligation to assist you, unless the property was advertised with allocated parking, which it sounds like it isn't.
Good luck.
I've just dropped him an email again. Nope no allocated parking and I accept that... Think the only way this will get sorted reasonably is if there's a management company.Unfortunately I don't think your landlord is under any obligation to assist you, unless the property was advertised with allocated parking, which it sounds like it isn't.
Good luck.
LeftmostAardvark said:
Change car to something you don't care about (beaten up old discovery of similar, ideally with bull bars, side steps, rock sliders and a mahoosive winch). They'll be less keen to block that fker in...
I like this idea ker in... I think the cars might have a fair bit to do with why we're being seen as easy targets. Neither are of great value, both are over 10 years old but are in immaculate condition and fairly obviously cared for.One car is now fine - Cleared the garage out today and the OH's car will be kept in there. We had avoided using this as we both work nights and are both on call when not working nights. How long would you give it before we get a complaint about the noise of the garage door being opened at fairly regularly at unsociable hours? Maybe the catalyst some need to behave reasonably?
Letter has also been dropped round.
LeftmostAardvark said:
Change car to something you don't care about (beaten up old discovery of similar, ideally with bull bars, side steps, rock sliders and a mahoosive winch). They'll be less keen to block that fker in...
This! Nobody ever blocked in my-ex MOD Landie ker in...
Failing this buy a load of scrappers for £50 each and slowly fill in all the spaces ... doesn't help you but will make everyone else know how it feels.
If this is common parking it must be owned someone.
This maybe by a separate freeholder or a company owned by all of the flat-owners. Your landlord most likely knows more than he is letting on and should really be dealing with this IMO.
A letter pointing out that you need to park somewhere, are aware that the spaces are not allocated and it is in the benefit of all to agree a revised modus operandi may be called for.
There is the nuclear power of you blocking people in. While you don't want your car scratching - neither will the neighbours. It's a kind of hostile neutrality.
This maybe by a separate freeholder or a company owned by all of the flat-owners. Your landlord most likely knows more than he is letting on and should really be dealing with this IMO.
A letter pointing out that you need to park somewhere, are aware that the spaces are not allocated and it is in the benefit of all to agree a revised modus operandi may be called for.
There is the nuclear power of you blocking people in. While you don't want your car scratching - neither will the neighbours. It's a kind of hostile neutrality.
Blaster72 said:
Have you spoken to the ones who leave notes and block you in or are they too cowardly to identify themselves?
If you have spoken to them, what reason do they give?
Perhaps they don't recognise your car and think it's someone who doesn't live there just dumping the car?
At my place all the spaces are numbered but for God knows what reason the numbers don't correspond to the flat numbers so whenever someone new moves in there's always a bit of confusion.
We never resort to petty notes or blocking in though, we just pop round and say hello and let them know which spot is there's.
7 months left is a long time to be messing about getting the run around
My ex had a new flat and the numbers on the parking spaces were the plot numbers when building.If you have spoken to them, what reason do they give?
Perhaps they don't recognise your car and think it's someone who doesn't live there just dumping the car?
At my place all the spaces are numbered but for God knows what reason the numbers don't correspond to the flat numbers so whenever someone new moves in there's always a bit of confusion.
We never resort to petty notes or blocking in though, we just pop round and say hello and let them know which spot is there's.
7 months left is a long time to be messing about getting the run around
ging84 said:
What exactly have the land registry confirmed?
I've paid for the plan for every house and surprisingly the house I rent has the red outline around my garage and actually 4 parking spaces - no other houses have anything marked indicating they have any entitlement to the spaces. One other house with a mirrored location to mine has the same footprint around their garage and the other 4 spaces to the rear. I'm not sure what relevance this has to me because my tenancy agreement isn't too specific and only mentions off street unallocated spaces, garage + house.It's 100% clear that the spaces that have had numbers put on them definitely are not owned by the people who have put the numbers up. Also the numbers that have been put up are all different styles of screw in numbers from B&Q type places.
Edited by Black_S3 on Monday 24th November 22:45
bad company said:
The letter is a good thing. Please keep us up to date with progress.
In the meantime have you parked in one of the spaces?
Will do. I think there are a few houses that don't even use their garage for storage so I'm going to drop a note in to a couple of the more friendly neighbours (both single elderly people with no cars) asking to rent their garage for 7 months if it's completely unused. Hopefully I can get a 2nd garage for around £100 a month then happy days and the other lot can find some other way to entertain their fetish for authority!In the meantime have you parked in one of the spaces?
Yep I've just moved to a different space that I got a note in shortly after moving in - with the exception of a rare visitor no one ever parks in it.... Honestly it's a joke, everyone is back home for the night now and there are still 5 empty spaces.
surveyor said:
If this is common parking it must be owned someone.
This maybe by a separate freeholder or a company owned by all of the flat-owners. Your landlord most likely knows more than he is letting on and should really be dealing with this IMO.
A letter pointing out that you need to park somewhere, are aware that the spaces are not allocated and it is in the benefit of all to agree a revised modus operandi may be called for.
There is the nuclear power of you blocking people in. While you don't want your car scratching - neither will the neighbours. It's a kind of hostile neutrality.
Pretty the exact conclusion but creating a situation where everyone can just get on with the important parts of their life is not proving to be so straightforward!This maybe by a separate freeholder or a company owned by all of the flat-owners. Your landlord most likely knows more than he is letting on and should really be dealing with this IMO.
A letter pointing out that you need to park somewhere, are aware that the spaces are not allocated and it is in the benefit of all to agree a revised modus operandi may be called for.
There is the nuclear power of you blocking people in. While you don't want your car scratching - neither will the neighbours. It's a kind of hostile neutrality.
Black_S3 said:
I've paid for the plan for every house and surprisingly the house I rent has the red outline around my garage and actually 4 parking spaces - no other houses have anything marked indicating they have any entitlement to the spaces. One other house with a mirrored location to mine has the same footprint around their garage and the other 4 spaces to the rear. I'm not sure what relevance this has to me because my tenancy agreement isn't too specific and only mentions off street unallocated spaces, garage + house.
I'd check the tenancy wording carefully, particularly the part where it states that the tenancy is for XX Any Street, Anytown, Anywhere, Postcode, as it may then describe this as the 'Property', which I believe would include the seemingly now allocated parking, unless specifically excluded.Edited by Black_S3 on Monday 24th November 22:45
You may want to post something on the landlordzone forum (link below) specifically asking the question as to whether the parking shown on the land registry plan is by default included in the tenancy. I am not in any qualified (other than being a landlord), but there are some very knowledgeable, and I believed qualified, people on there:
http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay....
Black_S3 said:
Will do. I think there are a few houses that don't even use their garage for storage so I'm going to drop a note in to a couple of the more friendly neighbours (both single elderly people with no cars) asking to rent their garage for 7 months if it's completely unused. Hopefully I can get a 2nd garage for around £100 a month then happy days and the other lot can find some other way to entertain their fetish for authority!
Yep I've just moved to a different space that I got a note in shortly after moving in - with the exception of a rare visitor no one ever parks in it.... Honestly it's a joke, everyone is back home for the night now and there are still 5 empty spaces.
I rent a second garage from the council. It's £16 a month so worth checking your area.Yep I've just moved to a different space that I got a note in shortly after moving in - with the exception of a rare visitor no one ever parks in it.... Honestly it's a joke, everyone is back home for the night now and there are still 5 empty spaces.
A lady I know has a very similar situation - she lives on a small estate of 30 or so houses, none of which have their own driveway and there's no garages. There's about 40 parking bays which the title deeds said are communal.
One or two houses have painted their house numbers on a couple of bays and get quite shirty if anyone parks in them.
The maintenance of these bays is, I understand, a shared responsibility between all the houses. As you can imagine, for the last 25 or so years there hasn't been a need for any maintenance, although it's not difficult to imagine that cleaning up an oil spill or something even more serious may prove problematic.
In this particular close, it's only about 3 houses that get territorial about their places, so everyone more or less lives with it.
Police wouldn't be in the slightest bit interested, it's private land and an unadopted bit of road.
There isn't a management company, so anyone seeking a remedy will have to do it alone.
Not much advice I can offer that hasn't already been said - although I've been tempted to park a snotter in one of the "marked" bays for a week or so even though it really isn't my problem.
One or two houses have painted their house numbers on a couple of bays and get quite shirty if anyone parks in them.
The maintenance of these bays is, I understand, a shared responsibility between all the houses. As you can imagine, for the last 25 or so years there hasn't been a need for any maintenance, although it's not difficult to imagine that cleaning up an oil spill or something even more serious may prove problematic.
In this particular close, it's only about 3 houses that get territorial about their places, so everyone more or less lives with it.
Police wouldn't be in the slightest bit interested, it's private land and an unadopted bit of road.
There isn't a management company, so anyone seeking a remedy will have to do it alone.
Not much advice I can offer that hasn't already been said - although I've been tempted to park a snotter in one of the "marked" bays for a week or so even though it really isn't my problem.
PV7998 said:
A lady I know has a very similar situation - she lives on a small estate of 30 or so houses, none of which have their own driveway and there's no garages. There's about 40 parking bays which the title deeds said are communal.
One or two houses have painted their house numbers on a couple of bays and get quite shirty if anyone parks in them.
The maintenance of these bays is, I understand, a shared responsibility between all the houses. As you can imagine, for the last 25 or so years there hasn't been a need for any maintenance, although it's not difficult to imagine that cleaning up an oil spill or something even more serious may prove problematic.
In this particular close, it's only about 3 houses that get territorial about their places, so everyone more or less lives with it.
Police wouldn't be in the slightest bit interested, it's private land and an unadopted bit of road.
There isn't a management company, so anyone seeking a remedy will have to do it alone.
Not much advice I can offer that hasn't already been said - although I've been tempted to park a snotter in one of the "marked" bays for a week or so even though it really isn't my problem.
I like you're thinking re the maintenance of the spaces. I wonder how quickly they would remember they don't own the space if someone was to play pogo sticks in the space with a pneumatic drill. All hypothetical but amusing still.One or two houses have painted their house numbers on a couple of bays and get quite shirty if anyone parks in them.
The maintenance of these bays is, I understand, a shared responsibility between all the houses. As you can imagine, for the last 25 or so years there hasn't been a need for any maintenance, although it's not difficult to imagine that cleaning up an oil spill or something even more serious may prove problematic.
In this particular close, it's only about 3 houses that get territorial about their places, so everyone more or less lives with it.
Police wouldn't be in the slightest bit interested, it's private land and an unadopted bit of road.
There isn't a management company, so anyone seeking a remedy will have to do it alone.
Not much advice I can offer that hasn't already been said - although I've been tempted to park a snotter in one of the "marked" bays for a week or so even though it really isn't my problem.
The more I look into this and get opinions/hear of similar situations I think for me the solution is to just try get through the next 7 months without incident and leave knowing they are still stuck with the stress. Put this one down to experience and be thankful I learnt the lesson in a rented property, not one I'd bought.
Black_S3 said:
ging84 said:
What exactly have the land registry confirmed?
I've paid for the plan for every house and surprisingly the house I rent has the red outline around my garage and actually 4 parking spaces - no other houses have anything marked indicating they have any entitlement to the spaces. One other house with a mirrored location to mine has the same footprint around their garage and the other 4 spaces to the rear. I'm not sure what relevance this has to me because my tenancy agreement isn't too specific and only mentions off street unallocated spaces, garage + house.It's 100% clear that the spaces that have had numbers put on them definitely are not owned by the people who have put the numbers up. Also the numbers that have been put up are all different styles of screw in numbers from B&Q type places.
Edited by Black_S3 on Monday 24th November 22:45
Then start parking in the red spaces.
Looking forward to hearing the outcome of this one.
If there is sufficient spaces outside your property then you should be able to park there, if there is only space for one car per property, and it's subsequent space around the back, then park around the back.
Good luck with this one OP.
If there is sufficient spaces outside your property then you should be able to park there, if there is only space for one car per property, and it's subsequent space around the back, then park around the back.
Good luck with this one OP.
Zoobeef said:
I rent a second garage from the council. It's £16 a month so worth checking your area.
WTF!!!!I have to pay that per WEEK for a s
tty council garage with a leaky roof that I can only just fit a vw Polo into.OP: I to would find your situation very annoying but it's good that you are trying to be friendly with your resolution proposals whilst the "established" folk of the area don't appear to want to make any effort to get on well with the newbie. Perhaps those who have lived there a long time are a bit fed up with those in rented properties (not YOU BTW!!!) who turn up irritate the long term residents and p
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