Drive SORN'd car to new house

[Adrian E]

Given a van parked local to me has been used regularly with impunity with no MOT since March and no tax since August so long as it's insured properly I would drive it. The trade plates idea is a nice one if you know anyone that would oblige for you as that would be fully legal.

[Walford]

set up as a trader, and get a set of trade plates

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Sheepshanks said:

If someone drove an uninsured car using their DOC cover, then their insurer would have to cover 3rd party liabilities. But the vehicle's owner would still be breaching the CIE regulations and stopped the car would be impounded as uninsured.

If their DOC extension didn't insist the car had to be insured in it's own right (mine doesn't) then the car would not be impounded as uninsured. You may get pulled, as the car isn't on the MID basis, but the MID database is a guide, not the final word. If the DOC insurance is valid, the car is insured, and wouldn't be impounded.

However, you're right about the CIE regs, and the owner could have a problem. But that's not the same as a no insurance offence, and far less serious. Not even points on the licence, just a fine.

[Sheepshanks]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

If their DOC extension didn't insist the car had to be insured in it's own right (mine doesn't) then the car would not be impounded as uninsured. You may get pulled, as the car isn't on the MID basis, but the MID database is a guide, not the final word. If the DOC insurance is valid, the car is insured, and wouldn't be impounded.

I think it's massively unclear, and there have been cases reported of cars being impounded in such circumstances.

Of course you then can't get the car released until it's insured.

[V40TC]

Pay up the VED for a month insure for a day and rest easy,
Sods law someone will crash into you or something will happen.
and then you'll be is a shed load of aggro to save a few ££.

I am taking my car to trade in on Monday and considered for a few secs saving £15 VED by Sorn'ing the car on Sunday
then realised I am not 17 and skint nor a Tight git.

[anonymous-user]

V40TC said:

Pay up the VED for a month insure for a day and rest easy,
Sods law someone will crash into you or something will happen.
and then you'll be is a shed load of aggro to save a few ££.

I am taking my car to trade in on Monday and considered for a few secs saving £15 VED by Sorn'ing the car on Sunday
then realised I am not 17 and skint nor a Tight git.

The first sensible post on a thread which is otherwise the Whamster Scamster Thieving Toerag Convention 2014.

[liner33]

If you do decide to risk it don't do it in the early hours , do it during peak times.

The police operate 24hours if you are the only car out and about at 2am you would likely get their attention anyhow

[steve2]

Why are Pistonheaders advocating someone to drive illegally , if the op drove into you would you say "don't worry mate accidents happen"
Just get a local garage to move it for you and save yourself a heap load of trouble

[Aretnap]

23rdian said:

blueg33 said:

Insure online drive to new house and cancel during the cooling off period.

I was going to say...

Day insure it and risk the tax

But the above is even better

There is usually still a cancellation fee to pay if you cancel during the cooling off period. It varies from company to company but is typically upwards of £50. Getting a 1 day policy is likely to be cheaper.

[Martin4x4]

Vehicles must be insured even under SORN now.

Not worth the risk or expense, hire a trailer these can be had cheap enough or ring around the local recovery trucks if you are talking a few miles this should cost you less than £30-50 if you are flexible on time.

[DuraAce]

Martin4x4 said:

Vehicles must be insured even under SORN now.

That is simply not true.

[anonymous-user]

steve2 said:

Why are Pistonheaders advocating someone to drive illegally , if the op drove into you would you say "don't worry mate accidents happen"
Just get a local garage to move it for you and save yourself a heap load of trouble

Typocal PH schizotroids: the average PH'er will roundly condemn, for example, some homeless guy who steals something, but the middle class motorist is allowed to do anything not to comply with motoring law. See also: I can drive as fast as I like and I can park wherever I like. Because motorist.

[B'stard Child]

Martin4x4 said:

Vehicles must be insured even under SORN now.

I find the lack of knowledge on a motoring enthusiast forum staggering...... Complete rubbish

I have 8 cars and only two are insured and I am fully compliant with CI and SORN

[B'stard Child]

Breadvan72 said:

V40TC said:

Pay up the VED for a month insure for a day and rest easy,
Sods law someone will crash into you or something will happen.
and then you'll be is a shed load of aggro to save a few ££.

I am taking my car to trade in on Monday and considered for a few secs saving £15 VED by Sorn'ing the car on Sunday
then realised I am not 17 and skint nor a Tight git.

The first sensible post on a thread which is otherwise the Whamster Scamster Thieving Toerag Convention 2014.

Clicks PH Like button for both posts

[Cat]

This thread must be looking at some sort of record for the amount of incorrect nonsense in the fewest posts.

CIE rules have no relevance as to whether someone has valid insurance to use a vehicle on a road. CIE is dealt with by DVLA not the police and failing to comply with it should not result in a vehicle being seized under s165A of the RTA.

A vehicle not being insured in its own right may or may not affect DOC cover, it will depend on the terms of the individual insurance company.

The statement that a vehicle must be insured to be released after it has been seized is also incorrect. The requirement is that the person collecting the vehicle needs valid insurance to do so.

The use of trade plates to move the car would not be legal as they do not provide carte blanche to use untaxed vehicles on the road (whether it is likely you'd be found out is another question).

If the OP wants to drive the car on the road to his new address then there must be insurance - it matters not if it's the OP's own policy, a friend with DOC cover, a trade policy etc. provided that it covers that person, to drive that vehicle, at that time, for that purpose.

Similarly there must be tax unless it is being driven to or from an MOT etc.

Cat

Edited by Cat on Saturday 29th November 11:02

[liner33]

steve2 said:

Why are Pistonheaders advocating someone to drive illegally , if the op drove into you would you say "don't worry mate accidents happen"
Just get a local garage to move it for you and save yourself a heap load of trouble

"If you do decide" is advocating is it ? I prefer to treat people like grown ups he is one and he can make his own choice as its him that is going to have to deal with the consequences.

[Pie with sauce]

Martin4x4 said:

Vehicles must be insured even under SORN now.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Cat said:

This thread must be looking at some sort of record for the amount of incorrect nonsense in the fewest posts.

CIE rules have no relevance as to whether someone has valid insurance to use a vehicle on a road. CIE is dealt with by DVLA not the police and failing to comply with it should not result in a vehicle being seized under s165A of the RTA.

A vehicle not being insured in its own right may or may not affect DOC cover, it will depend on the terms of the individual insurance company.

The statement that a vehicle must be insured to be released after it has been seized is also incorrect. The requirement is that the person collecting the vehicle needs valid insurance to do so.

The use of trade plates to move the car would not be legal as they do not provide carte blanche to use untaxed vehicles on the road (whether it is likely you'd be found out is another question).

If the OP wants to drive the car on the road to his new address then there must be insurance - it matters not if it's the OP's own policy, a friend with DOC cover, a trade policy etc. provided that it covers that person, to drive that vehicle, at that time, for that purpose.

Similarly there must be tax unless it is being driven to or from an MOT etc.

Cat

Edited by Cat on Saturday 29th November 11:02

Wow, a post full of facts, and they are all correct. This must be a PH first.

[Walford]

Cat said:

This thread must be looking at some sort of record for the amount of incorrect nonsense in the fewest posts.

The use of trade plates to move the car would not be legal as they do not provide carte blanche to use untaxed vehicles on the road (whether it is likely you'd be found out is another question).

Cat

https://www.gov.uk/trade-licence-plates

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[dombooth]

1- Tax car here on Direct Debit: https://www.gov.uk/tax-disc
2- Day insure it.
3- Drive it wherever you want.
4- Cancel DD with the bank in a few days (before they take a payment)
5- Send in SORN documents

Job done.

Dom