MHA deputy Chief speaks out
Discussion
Greendubber said:
carinaman said:
Its been happening for a while and appears to be working.It's not just at level 5 support (sectioning) where the system is completely useless. Moving from level 2 to 3 in Hampshire you can be "lost in the system" for 230 days. Their target's 90, and that's preposterous enough as it is when you consider that someone's decided these people need more considered, face to face support. Abandoning them for 90 days is a bit s
t as a best case scenario, let alone 230.
t as a best case scenario, let alone 230.Eclassy said:
Good news
Cells should only be used for criminals not people suffering mental health issues
Not true. There are plenty of people with mental health issues who have the capacity to stand trial and commit crimes who require arresting. Cells should only be used for criminals not people suffering mental health issues
Your wonderful knowledge shows its hand once more
La Liga said:
Greendubber said:
carinaman said:
Its been happening for a while and appears to be working.Red Devil said:
The real question is whether it is working in specific areas or country wide. We all know how the government likes to give selective examples to 'prove' some strategy or other is succeeding. The Devil, as always, is in the detail.
In my force you have a bobby, CPN and a paramedic in a car to respond to that kind of job. Seems to remove barriers when the Police ask the relevant organisation to do their jobs 
agree that things work better when people are asked to do their jobs but it cuts both ways.
I have in front of me, on what we jokingly refer to as "my desk", a document that runs to over 100 double sided pages. It's an InterAgency Protocol on The Management Of The Mentally Ill in ......
Although titled InterAgency it was written by the area force - i know, i was there - and the local authorities and health services were invited in once the document was drafted.
In the last two weeks i have had requests from 3 different officers for a copy as they do not yet have it -it went live in June of this year and is a revision of a previous protocol, not wholly new. My area of clinical responsibility is quite small (a psychological medicine service to an acute hospital situated in a medium sized town in the SE) and 3 is a significant number when compared with the volume of referrals from Police into that clinical area.
The parts that officers seem to struggle with are usually the ones that start "Officers will.." or "Officers must not.." etc. On more than one occasion, despite having a copy of the document in front of them, there have been disagreements, one of which required the intercession of the on-call social services director for the county. That really shouldn't have been necessary had all parties been aware of, and doing, their jobs.
paul
I have in front of me, on what we jokingly refer to as "my desk", a document that runs to over 100 double sided pages. It's an InterAgency Protocol on The Management Of The Mentally Ill in ......
Although titled InterAgency it was written by the area force - i know, i was there - and the local authorities and health services were invited in once the document was drafted.
In the last two weeks i have had requests from 3 different officers for a copy as they do not yet have it -it went live in June of this year and is a revision of a previous protocol, not wholly new. My area of clinical responsibility is quite small (a psychological medicine service to an acute hospital situated in a medium sized town in the SE) and 3 is a significant number when compared with the volume of referrals from Police into that clinical area.
The parts that officers seem to struggle with are usually the ones that start "Officers will.." or "Officers must not.." etc. On more than one occasion, despite having a copy of the document in front of them, there have been disagreements, one of which required the intercession of the on-call social services director for the county. That really shouldn't have been necessary had all parties been aware of, and doing, their jobs.
paul
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