Notice of prosecution - continued

Notice of prosecution - continued

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Matt 211988

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223 posts

123 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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aw51 121565 said:
Regardless of what you do, I'd suggest that you remove those pics, "wash" them of all data (the info in the black boxes) and link to the 'washed' photos. Possibly that ship has already sailed, mind... frown

And in future, "wash" the pics before you post them for the first time wink .

If this goes to court and you start arguing about a lack of calibration cert, I suspect this thread may make an unwelcome appearance... Going that way is potentially very expensive - being found guilty after a 'not guilty' plea incurs prosecution costs of around £500 to £600 before the fine and 'victim surcharge' plus penalty points.

The untimate insult will be if you plead 'not guilty' and the prosecution bring in RSS (you might even get to meet one of our members on their "dream team" wink ), you'll be looking at costs just north of £2k for their attendance plus the rest (as above) after being found guilty... This would normally happen only after your defence suggests that the equipment used is unreliable or used wrongly, things like that...

Tread carefully smile .

You're looking at a summons for 77 in a 50, anyway.
can i ask the reasoning for removing the photos? after all, the police have a copy of these photos already so its nothing new to them?

keep the suggestions coming

Bigyoke

152 posts

131 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Boosted LS1 said:
Yep, I'd make them prove it and that's why I've not had points on my DL since 1980.
How many contested excess speed cases have you won & how many of those were on the basis that the measured speed was unreliable?

Boosted LS1

21,167 posts

259 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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I've not won them on the basis of calibration. I've applied a lot of research when needed and used tactics which were suitable at the time.

Bigyoke

152 posts

131 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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Boosted LS1 said:
I've not won them on the basis of calibration. I've applied a lot of research when needed and used tactics which were suitable at the time.
So none on the technicality the op wants to rely on then, how many altogether?

Boosted LS1

21,167 posts

259 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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My point is that you need to do the research and then maybe decide a course of action that exploits any weaknesses. Without a 'plan' you may as well take he 'bonus' points.

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Boosted LS1 said:
My point is that you need to do the research and then maybe decide a course of action that exploits any weaknesses. Without a 'plan' you may as well take he 'bonus' points.
your point was :-

Boosted LS1 said:
Yep, I'd make them prove it and that's why I've not had points on my DL since 1980.

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
Tip which worked for me for years.....take the front plate off, especially on that....given me the opportunity to reverse away and go the long way around a few times now.
pure class

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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pork911 said:
kiethton said:
Tip which worked for me for years.....take the front plate off, especially on that....given me the opportunity to reverse away and go the long way around a few times now.
pure class
Needs must, only necessary when the MK1 eyeball failed me, if they didn't intentionally make themselves less visible/enforce realistic limits in appropriate locations I would have been happy to put them on.

That was a little while back now, only doing about 3k miles in the car a year now so don't encounter them often so don't bother

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
pork911 said:
kiethton said:
Tip which worked for me for years.....take the front plate off, especially on that....given me the opportunity to reverse away and go the long way around a few times now.
pure class
Needs must, only necessary when the MK1 eyeball failed me, if they didn't intentionally make themselves less visible/enforce realistic limits in appropriate locations I would have been happy to put them on.

That was a little while back now, only doing about 3k miles in the car a year now so don't encounter them often so don't bother
did you never consider right foot control?

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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pork911 said:
kiethton said:
pork911 said:
kiethton said:
Tip which worked for me for years.....take the front plate off, especially on that....given me the opportunity to reverse away and go the long way around a few times now.
pure class
Needs must, only necessary when the MK1 eyeball failed me, if they didn't intentionally make themselves less visible/enforce realistic limits in appropriate locations I would have been happy to put them on.

That was a little while back now, only doing about 3k miles in the car a year now so don't encounter them often so don't bother
did you never consider right foot control?
Regularly, 30k a year made that a necessity, however I drive at an appropriate speed (almost all of my driving was off peak) but an appropriate speed and the number on a stick more often than not are not the same...

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
Regularly, 30k a year made that a necessity, however I drive at an appropriate speed (almost all of my driving was off peak) but an appropriate speed and the number on a stick more often than not are not the same...
ahh i see, you decide

it was so appropriate that you took the plate off - rather than get caught and take your fight about the number on a stick to the courts?

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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pork911 said:
kiethton said:
Regularly, 30k a year made that a necessity, however I drive at an appropriate speed (almost all of my driving was off peak) but an appropriate speed and the number on a stick more often than not are not the same...
ahh i see, you decide

it was so appropriate that you took the plate off - rather than get caught and take your fight about the number on a stick to the courts?
Why have that hassle when taking my plan of action at the time avoids that problem in its entirety...

The fine and potential ramifications are entirely disproportionate

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
The fine and potential ramifications are entirely disproportionate
Well, quite. Just remind me of the maximum penalty for perverting the course of justice? Life, isn't it? And imprisonment for attempting to avoid a speeding ticket is not unknown.

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
Why have that hassle when taking my plan of action at the time avoids that problem in its entirety...

The fine and potential ramifications are entirely disproportionate
fine, you lose all moaning rights for anyone doing anything they decide is okay



and yet you want the law sometimes
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...




also with your plate on you still got flashed?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


and it seems you aren't entirely consistent on how your cleverness mitigated having any dealings with traffic cops
kiethton said:
Been driving 7 years or so and pulled over somewhere around 50 times, all barring one (78mph on motorway) I've been on my way.

Sounds a lot but:

15 or so when I was 17-19 y.o and had the number plates stolen from my car - "reports of stolen plates"
5 times in my Astra when the front plate "fell" off (nothing to do with the 25 miles a day of spec's cameras on my commute)
25 or so when I was 21-23 in my 335i, living in SE London "is this car stolen"
3 times in my dad's old Jag S-type, both at 4:30am taking my brother to work, again "is this stolen"
1 time in my track prepped EP3 (and for the first time was talked to like something on the bottom of a shoe)
2 times in my current 540i - "look in a rush"

Plus a few more to boot, worst was 3 times in 36 hours....

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
pork911 said:
kiethton said:
Regularly, 30k a year made that a necessity, however I drive at an appropriate speed (almost all of my driving was off peak) but an appropriate speed and the number on a stick more often than not are not the same...
ahh i see, you decide

it was so appropriate that you took the plate off - rather than get caught and take your fight about the number on a stick to the courts?
Why have that hassle when taking my plan of action at the time avoids that problem in its entirety...

The fine and potential ramifications are entirely disproportionate
You know, even if what you say were true, which I very much doubt, I'd be ashamed to post it on here. Don't you see how dumb it makes you look either way?

At least the rest of us are a bit safer now if you're not driving so much.........

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Fair points, most recent flash was on a motorbike from the rear...

Admittedly I now have the plates on and have for some time, I just get very frustrated with the vans and specifically their placing, where the OP was, why is that road not de-restricted nsl (in its purest form)? Outside a busy school at kicking out time it would be justified at 20, the number on a stick isn't consistently right in all situations and its never enforced in the one time it is appropriate....


pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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kiethton said:
Fair points, most recent flash was on a motorbike from the rear...

Admittedly I now have the plates on and have for some time, I just get very frustrated with the vans and specifically their placing, where the OP was, why is that road not de-restricted nsl (in its purest form)? Outside a busy school at kicking out time it would be justified at 20, the number on a stick isn't consistently right in all situations and its never enforced in the one time it is appropriate....
the number on the stick is adequate warning

you know but don't like the consequences

(genuinely) you'd be better working on your frustrations


(and haven't you only recently done your CBT and flashed already on mbike?)

BobSaunders

3,027 posts

154 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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kiethton said:
Over a crest....sneaky as normal.

Tip which worked for me for years.....take the front plate off, especially on that....given me the opportunity to reverse away and go the long way around a few times now.

Admittedly I don't have it off now as I do sub 3k miles a year but before web doing 30k a year I had it off for about 2 years, got pulled over twice for it "sorry officer it fell off, it's here in the footwell and must have fallen off the dash"

Worst case it's a non-endorseable small fine
This.

Worked for me for a number of years with the type-7. The garage was always tight to park in....

Boosted LS1

21,167 posts

259 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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pork911 said:
kiethton said:
Why have that hassle when taking my plan of action at the time avoids that problem in its entirety...

The fine and potential ramifications are entirely disproportionate
fine, you lose all moaning rights for anyone doing anything they decide is okay



and yet you want the law sometimes
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...




also with your plate on you still got flashed?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


and it seems you aren't entirely consistent on how your cleverness mitigated having any dealings with traffic cops
kiethton said:
Been driving 7 years or so and pulled over somewhere around 50 times, all barring one (78mph on motorway) I've been on my way.

Sounds a lot but:

15 or so when I was 17-19 y.o and had the number plates stolen from my car - "reports of stolen plates"
5 times in my Astra when the front plate "fell" off (nothing to do with the 25 miles a day of spec's cameras on my commute)
25 or so when I was 21-23 in my 335i, living in SE London "is this car stolen"
3 times in my dad's old Jag S-type, both at 4:30am taking my brother to work, again "is this stolen"
1 time in my track prepped EP3 (and for the first time was talked to like something on the bottom of a shoe)
2 times in my current 540i - "look in a rush"

Plus a few more to boot, worst was 3 times in 36 hours....
Good grief, are you on some sort of a mission?