3 points and 100 fine for tyre on 1.5.7
Discussion
Bigends said:
A friendly word and VDRS would have had much more positive results and this matter would never have been posted
This is your opinion, and hence would be you using your discretion for a VDRS as opposed to FPN. Sometimes "friendly words" do nothing. People don't care about "friendly words" and will ignore them.Also, VDRS are obsolete in some forces.
Retroman said:
He isn't moaning about MOT depth gauges, he's moaning about police officers fining for tyres being on the legal limit (1.6mm) rather than under it.
Imagine the police decided to do you for speeding on a 30mph limit because you were doing 30.3mph
I think that's an excellent point but I don't think there's much the OP can do to avoid the penalty points and fine now.Imagine the police decided to do you for speeding on a 30mph limit because you were doing 30.3mph
On the other hand, he was driving around on at least one ditch finder given the recent weather and I think the police are more inclined towards leniency where they find a good attitude and respect for the maintenance of the vehicle. In this case, the OP didn't get that leniency for some mysterious reason.
IANAL but it would seem, in most areas, the law is black and white. 1.59mm is illegal and that's that. The time to replace tyres though is when they get to 3mm or so and the law, in a way, does give the discretion of a period of time to change your tyres before they become a liability (1.6-3mm).
I think I would be pissed off if the cops did me for being a hair's breadth under the legal limit but I wouldn't put myself in that position in the first place as I believe it's quite irresponsible.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Bigends said:
A friendly word and VDRS would have had much more positive results and this matter would never have been posted
This is your opinion, and hence would be you using your discretion for a VDRS as opposed to FPN. Sometimes "friendly words" do nothing. People don't care about "friendly words" and will ignore them.Also, VDRS are obsolete in some forces.
TheBear said:
Bigends is a Mon-Fri 8-4 coulda, woulda shoulda.
They're in every police station.
7-3 weekdays only now -civvy managerThey're in every police station.
Did 30yrs frontline uniformed shift work prior to that - never drove a desk - stopped and prosecuted for more duff tyres that you can shake a stick at - still room for discretion though
Elroy Blue said:
Bigends operated in a time when you didn't need to know any law, what your powers were or had to confront anybody about their actions or behaviour. At least I assume he did going off all his posts on here.
Sadly, I'm in agreement. Constantly baffled by his attitude and way of thinking given his past. Elroy Blue said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Bigends said:
A friendly word and VDRS would have had much more positive results and this matter would never have been posted
This is your opinion, and hence would be you using your discretion for a VDRS as opposed to FPN. Sometimes "friendly words" do nothing. People don't care about "friendly words" and will ignore them.Also, VDRS are obsolete in some forces.
Bigends said:
Really? Sure the esteemed Author Derek Smith wouldnt agree - I was at the same training school as him - same year. Its evident most days I know more law than the current generation of cops if their investigation and crime recording skills are anything to go by.
AllegedlyMk3Spitfire said:
Elroy Blue said:
Bigends operated in a time when you didn't need to know any law, what your powers were or had to confront anybody about their actions or behaviour. At least I assume he did going off all his posts on here.
Sadly, I'm in agreement. Constantly baffled by his attitude and way of thinking given his past. Bigends said:
TheBear said:
Bigends is a Mon-Fri 8-4 coulda, woulda shoulda.
They're in every police station.
7-3 weekdays only now -civvy managerThey're in every police station.
Did 30yrs frontline uniformed shift work prior to that - never drove a desk - stopped and prosecuted for more duff tyres that you can shake a stick at - still room for discretion though
They're in every police station, usually trying to pick as many holes in officers decisions as possible. (Except for weekends)
Elroy Blue said:
Bigends said:
Really? Sure the esteemed Author Derek Smith wouldnt agree - I was at the same training school as him - same year. Its evident most days I know more law than the current generation of cops if their investigation and crime recording skills are anything to go by.
AllegedlyYouve seen my gong and serstificate - I was actually a couple of courses ahead of him.
TheBear said:
Bigends said:
TheBear said:
Bigends is a Mon-Fri 8-4 coulda, woulda shoulda.
They're in every police station.
7-3 weekdays only now -civvy managerThey're in every police station.
Did 30yrs frontline uniformed shift work prior to that - never drove a desk - stopped and prosecuted for more duff tyres that you can shake a stick at - still room for discretion though
They're in every police station, usually trying to pick as many holes in officers decisions as possible. (Except for weekends)
Bigends said:
TheBear said:
Bigends said:
TheBear said:
Bigends is a Mon-Fri 8-4 coulda, woulda shoulda.
They're in every police station.
7-3 weekdays only now -civvy managerThey're in every police station.
Did 30yrs frontline uniformed shift work prior to that - never drove a desk - stopped and prosecuted for more duff tyres that you can shake a stick at - still room for discretion though
They're in every police station, usually trying to pick as many holes in officers decisions as possible. (Except for weekends)
Bigends said:
Dont touch traffic stuff now-only crime - previous service counts for nothing then. ..and you have how long in can I ask?
I can see by your posting style how big an ego you must have in your office. I don't have a much service, nowhere near 30 years. The only reason you ask is to dismiss me as not being worthy. The very worst coulda, woulda shoulda.
Previous service is a massive asset - but only if you impart it for the benefit of others.
Example:
Where I am there are 3 ex cops in civvy roles reviewing files (ERO). 1 is superb, has a can do attitude. Any problems with files? Then he works with officers to improve them. Works wonders.
The other two? Sanctimonious ex cops who spend their entire days trying to pick as many holes in files as possible whilst being as negative as possible. They sit there in competition with each other, telling all how they would've done it better.
Which type are you?
Bigends said:
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
but..people are allowed to have a moan and groan about being pulled and this shouldnt influence the action taken by the officer stopping them.
Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
The idea is to influence and change future behaviour, resulting in reduced risk. If the person being stopped won't allow this to be done through discretion and words of advice then the road safety objective isn't achieved.Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
This is a wholly legitimate means in which original intended discretion / words of advice may result in a more formal outcome depending on the behaviour of the person who is stopped.
I'm not convinced in this case the matter has gone quite how the OP described.
TheBear said:
Bigends said:
Dont touch traffic stuff now-only crime - previous service counts for nothing then. ..and you have how long in can I ask?
I can see by your posting style how big an ego you must have in your office. I don't have a much service, nowhere near 30 years. The only reason you ask is to dismiss me as not being worthy. The very worst coulda, woulda shoulda.
Previous service is a massive asset - but only if you impart it for the benefit of others.
Example:
Where I am there are 3 ex cops in civvy roles reviewing files (ERO). 1 is superb, has a can do attitude. Any problems with files? Then he works with officers to improve them. Works wonders.
The other two? Sanctimonious ex cops who spend their entire days trying to pick as many holes in files as possible whilst being as negative as possible. They sit there in competition with each other, telling all how they would've done it better.
Which type are you?
My bona fides have been in doubt since my first post as my views on current policing attitudes dont always fit in with the views of currently serving cops on here - not always popular with those who hang on the coat tails of those serving cops on here either- ive been out for 9 yrs now and have been a member of the public since then - I dont live and dwell in the past and live off my old Police time and the 'good old days' - they werent for the public! - just like to see people treated properly - I - or you could be on the other end of one of these stops one day
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 17:34
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 17:51
Bigends please learn to use the quote function correctly 
And in answer to your question if they HAVE to be prosecuted then in my opinion yes they do. I keep my car legal as do the majority of other people.
If they want to argue it they can opt to go to court instead. And VDRS is pretty outdated now and the last 4 i gave out were ignired resulted in summons.
So yes, in my opinion a ticket every time.
And in answer to your question if they HAVE to be prosecuted then in my opinion yes they do. I keep my car legal as do the majority of other people.
If they want to argue it they can opt to go to court instead. And VDRS is pretty outdated now and the last 4 i gave out were ignired resulted in summons.
So yes, in my opinion a ticket every time.
Greendubber said:
Bigends please learn to use the quote function correctly
And in answer to your question if they HAVE to be prosecuted then in my opinion yes they do. I keep my car legal as do the majority of other people.
If they want to argue it they can opt to go to court instead. And VDRS is pretty outdated now and the last 4 i gave out were ignired resulted in summons.
So yes, in my opinion a ticket every time.
Same here - accident and points free since 1972And in answer to your question if they HAVE to be prosecuted then in my opinion yes they do. I keep my car legal as do the majority of other people.
If they want to argue it they can opt to go to court instead. And VDRS is pretty outdated now and the last 4 i gave out were ignired resulted in summons.
So yes, in my opinion a ticket every time.
VDRS still alive and kicking in my force.Recent op they were issued for number plates...and tyres
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 17:57
Bigends said:
Same here - accident and points free since 1972
So whilst you keep yours in order someone else cant be arsed. We all know a 'word in someone's shell' regarding traffic matters such as phones and speeding are pointless as they will never change. Sadly the only way people will change is when there is some consequence for their actions, hence a ticket. If they don't like it I'm more than happy with a day out in court listening to them explain to the magistrate why they didn't keep their vehicle legal. The VDRS really is a thing of yesteryear and as already pointed out has been binned in some areas.
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