3 points and 100 fine for tyre on 1.5.7
Discussion
CGJJ said:
May I ask the BIB's on this forum how to proceed if I (a member of the public) feels a police officer has failed this
''attitude test" some of you regularly reference here?
Thanks.
2 options - (1) Suck it up. (2) Waste a huge amount of public money by complaining, taking up police time that could be spent actually preventing crime. If you choose (2), please remember to also moan about how there is so much backroom work done by the police these days, rather than street policing. A fair bit of irony there, but it will make you like 90& of PH posters ''attitude test" some of you regularly reference here?
Thanks.
CGJJ said:
May I ask the BIB's on this forum how to proceed if I (a member of the public) feels a police officer has failed this
''attitude test" some of you regularly reference here?
Thanks.
y''attitude test" some of you regularly reference here?
Thanks.
As above. Complain. Join the thousands of people who do just that because they don't like being told what to do or what not to do. It'll make you feel a lot better if nothing else.
All Police forces will have a complaints procedure. I had a very worried inspector phone me about how far a member of my staff would go with her complaint against him for his attitude. I told him that he'd be better biting the bullet and apologise as she was a lady who made bunny boilers look good. He obviously took my advice as I heard no more about it. My point is that they do take complaints seriously, but they have to be factual and properly constructed.
The sad thing is that there are people with attitude problems in all walks of life, but there does seem to be members of the Police service on an ego trip, and if folk just bend over and take it, they don't see the error of their ways.
A friend used to be in the traffic division, and he had to inform his young colleague that he wouldn't back him up if a member of the public decked him for his attitude - enough said.
PO
The sad thing is that there are people with attitude problems in all walks of life, but there does seem to be members of the Police service on an ego trip, and if folk just bend over and take it, they don't see the error of their ways.
A friend used to be in the traffic division, and he had to inform his young colleague that he wouldn't back him up if a member of the public decked him for his attitude - enough said.
PO
Mk3Spitfire said:
CGJJ said:
May I ask the BIB's on this forum how to proceed if I (a member of the public) feels a police officer has failed this
''attitude test" some of you regularly reference here?
Thanks.
y''attitude test" some of you regularly reference here?
Thanks.
As above. Complain. Join the thousands of people who do just that because they don't like being told what to do or what not to do. It'll make you feel a lot better if nothing else.
Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
As a young cop - i'd have knocked my own granny off - but with experience and guidance of older officers learned to not let this so called attitude test bo**ocks influence me. Some Cops need to remember whos working for who -theyre there to keep the roads safe and not be vindictive against members of the public especially the youngsters. Saw this many times over the years-we'd stop certain drivers day after day until they turned up at the nick with bundles of HORT1's - achieved nothing -just caused bad feeling. I posted earlier - VDRS would have sufficed here for a single tyre -means the OP would have had to replace the tyre. He can continue driving for weeks on that duff tyre now.
(Now wait for serving Cop fallout)
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 15:48
Bigends said:
but..people are allowed to have a moan and groan about being pulled and this shouldnt influence the action taken by the officer stopping them.
Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
As a young cop - i'd have knocked my own granny off - but with experience and guidance of older officers learned to not let this so called attitude test bo**ocks influence me. Some Cops need to remember whos working for who -theyre there to keep the roads safe and not be vindictive against members of the public especially the youngsters. Saw this many times over the years-we'd stop certain drivers day after day until they turned up at the nick with bundles of HORT1's - achieved nothing -just caused bad feeling. I posted earlier - VDRS would have sufficed here for a single tyre -means the OP would have had to replace the tyre. He can continue driving for weeks on that duff tyre now.
(Now wait for serving Cop fallout)
Ticket every time, no excuses for worn out tyres. Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
As a young cop - i'd have knocked my own granny off - but with experience and guidance of older officers learned to not let this so called attitude test bo**ocks influence me. Some Cops need to remember whos working for who -theyre there to keep the roads safe and not be vindictive against members of the public especially the youngsters. Saw this many times over the years-we'd stop certain drivers day after day until they turned up at the nick with bundles of HORT1's - achieved nothing -just caused bad feeling. I posted earlier - VDRS would have sufficed here for a single tyre -means the OP would have had to replace the tyre. He can continue driving for weeks on that duff tyre now.
(Now wait for serving Cop fallout)
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 15:48
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
but..people are allowed to have a moan and groan about being pulled and this shouldnt influence the action taken by the officer stopping them.
Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
As a young cop - i'd have knocked my own granny off - but with experience and guidance of older officers learned to not let this so called attitude test bo**ocks influence me. Some Cops need to remember whos working for who -theyre there to keep the roads safe and not be vindictive against members of the public especially the youngsters. Saw this many times over the years-we'd stop certain drivers day after day until they turned up at the nick with bundles of HORT1's - achieved nothing -just caused bad feeling. I posted earlier - VDRS would have sufficed here for a single tyre -means the OP would have had to replace the tyre. He can continue driving for weeks on that duff tyre now.
(Now wait for serving Cop fallout)
Ticket every time, no excuses for worn out tyres. Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
As a young cop - i'd have knocked my own granny off - but with experience and guidance of older officers learned to not let this so called attitude test bo**ocks influence me. Some Cops need to remember whos working for who -theyre there to keep the roads safe and not be vindictive against members of the public especially the youngsters. Saw this many times over the years-we'd stop certain drivers day after day until they turned up at the nick with bundles of HORT1's - achieved nothing -just caused bad feeling. I posted earlier - VDRS would have sufficed here for a single tyre -means the OP would have had to replace the tyre. He can continue driving for weeks on that duff tyre now.
(Now wait for serving Cop fallout)
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 15:48
Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 16:01
http://youtu.be/LdH5YK9haKQ
This chap got 3 points and a £100 fine for prefering to remain in his warm car during a routine traffic stop that lasted well over an hour.
A van full of coppers including an Inspector spent over an hour on a routine traffic stop in a time where we are continuosly told the police are understaffed.
With the way they went over that car, I am surprised they didnt find a body.
This chap got 3 points and a £100 fine for prefering to remain in his warm car during a routine traffic stop that lasted well over an hour.
A van full of coppers including an Inspector spent over an hour on a routine traffic stop in a time where we are continuosly told the police are understaffed.
With the way they went over that car, I am surprised they didnt find a body.
ging84 said:
perhaps not when the police are declaring tyres illegal which are at the limit, so still legal, according to my MOT approved tread depth gauge.
If it's illegal, it's illegal. It's written in plain language for anyone who cares to read it.It's a bit like speeding. We know the score. If we choose to ignore it, we face the consequences.
Moaning about MOT depth gauges isn't going to change anything.
Bigends said:
but..people are allowed to have a moan and groan about being pulled and this shouldnt influence the action taken by the officer stopping them.
Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
The idea is to influence and change future behaviour, resulting in reduced risk. If the person being stopped won't allow this to be done through discretion and words of advice then the road safety objective isn't achieved.Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
This is a wholly legitimate means in which original intended discretion / words of advice may result in a more formal outcome depending on the behaviour of the person who is stopped.
Mk3Spitfire said:
If it's illegal, it's illegal. It's written in plain language for anyone who cares to read it.
It's a bit like speeding. We know the score. If we choose to ignore it, we face the consequences.
Moaning about MOT depth gauges isn't going to change anything.
He isn't moaning about MOT depth gauges, he's moaning about police officers fining for tyres being on the legal limit (1.6mm) rather than under it.It's a bit like speeding. We know the score. If we choose to ignore it, we face the consequences.
Moaning about MOT depth gauges isn't going to change anything.
Imagine the police decided to do you for speeding on a 30mph limit because you were doing 30.3mph
Bigends said:
Not in the case of a single tyre just under the limits - achieves nothing, as I said he can continue driving on that tyre for weeks. VDRS means it would have to be changed
It also means that the person who couldn't be bothered to keep their vehicle in a roadworthy condition isn't prosecuted for an offence. Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 16:01
La Liga said:
Bigends said:
but..people are allowed to have a moan and groan about being pulled and this shouldnt influence the action taken by the officer stopping them.
Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
The idea is to influence and change future behaviour, resulting in reduced risk. If the person being stopped won't allow this to be done through discretion and words of advice then the road safety objective isn't achieved.Are they supposed to stand with head cowed-yes sir, no sir and comply without question.
This is a wholly legitimate means in which original intended discretion / words of advice may result in a more formal outcome depending on the behaviour of the person who is stopped.
Retroman said:
He isn't moaning about MOT depth gauges, he's moaning about police officers fining for tyres being on the legal limit (1.6mm) rather than under it.
Imagine the police decided to do you for speeding on a 30mph limit because you were doing 30.3mph
If that's the case then challenge it. Take photographuc evidence, professional reports etc.Imagine the police decided to do you for speeding on a 30mph limit because you were doing 30.3mph
My point, and where he quoted me, was from someone who by their own admission had illegal tyres.
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Not in the case of a single tyre just under the limits - achieves nothing, as I said he can continue driving on that tyre for weeks. VDRS means it would have to be changed
It also means that the person who couldn't be bothered to keep their vehicle in a roadworthy condition isn't prosecuted for an offence. Edited by Bigends on Sunday 7th December 16:01
Do they HAVE to be prosecuted. Thats why the rectification scene was introduced. The cops stopping him will never know whether he changes that tyre or not
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