Highway code rule 130
Discussion
matt0677 said:
R0G said:
Jim1556 said:
R0G said:
More paint = more danger
I'd argue with that - even the Google car is overtaking here!
There's a lot of paint, and not much danger compared to some stretches where there is very little paint, and a lot of danger. Totally contradicting the rather odd comment about the amount of paint on the road being somehow related to the level of danger.
Edited by matt0677 on Saturday 13th December 20:35
R0G said:
More paint = more danger
Which, as alluded to by others used to be the case before the council idiots were given the ability to f**k things up willy nilly, along with speed limits, now they randomly draw double whites all over the place to discourage what was previously a safe overtaking opportunity, brake would be so proud... Sorry for the delay in replying, been working non stop for 20 days - 13 to go before a month off... 
R0G, er, Matt beat me too it - point being, more paint doesn't necessarily mean more danger.
Creampuff, I get that, but as I said, if the line had been broken from where it was safely visible to overtake, a car could also make a pass. As it is, the car in front would have to be going sub 45 or you'd have to be in something with over well over 200 hp to pass here. It's the same in the opposite direction, 50-100m of straight but solids on both sides, then broken for a (very) short distance, then solid again.
Australia is a little far for me. I work in Holland, and the amount of double solids here is ridiculous, but I have a s
te underpowered French hatchback to get me the few miles to work and back, legal or not, I'd find it difficult to overtake anything other than a tractor round here...
4rep, not really - there is a roundabout behind the camera, but that side widens to 2 lanes (as well as the hatched area). Going in the direction the google car is, the hatched area extends for approx half a mile...
R0G, er, Matt beat me too it - point being, more paint doesn't necessarily mean more danger.
Creampuff, I get that, but as I said, if the line had been broken from where it was safely visible to overtake, a car could also make a pass. As it is, the car in front would have to be going sub 45 or you'd have to be in something with over well over 200 hp to pass here. It's the same in the opposite direction, 50-100m of straight but solids on both sides, then broken for a (very) short distance, then solid again.
Australia is a little far for me. I work in Holland, and the amount of double solids here is ridiculous, but I have a s
te underpowered French hatchback to get me the few miles to work and back, legal or not, I'd find it difficult to overtake anything other than a tractor round here...4rep, not really - there is a roundabout behind the camera, but that side widens to 2 lanes (as well as the hatched area). Going in the direction the google car is, the hatched area extends for approx half a mile...
Here's the reverse view (note still overtaking the truck).
I actually agree with the hatched area here as it separates traffic (allowing normal drivers to overtake people who are allergic to acceleration or driving anywhere near the speed limit).
If it were up to me (and I know it never will be as some of my ideas are too sensible and others probably less so
), on roads as wide as the one in my pics, after every roundabout should be 2-300m of double lanes so that people who want to make progress can get past the 6 wkers who refuse to overtake an HGV doing 40ish in a 60! 
One of my biggest gripes on todays roads are finding said 6 wkers, who refuse to overtake, but also sit so close to the car in front, it's rather difficult to overtake them one at a time. Strangely, they must like me though cos sometimes they flash they're approval as I leapfrog them! 
Newsflash you s! If you have to brake/flash me once I'm past, it's cos you were too close to the car in front! Back off and leave room, or overtake yourself!!! GRRRRRR!!! 
Rant over...
Anyone else have pics of rubbish lines?
I actually agree with the hatched area here as it separates traffic (allowing normal drivers to overtake people who are allergic to acceleration or driving anywhere near the speed limit).
If it were up to me (and I know it never will be as some of my ideas are too sensible and others probably less so
), on roads as wide as the one in my pics, after every roundabout should be 2-300m of double lanes so that people who want to make progress can get past the 6 wkers who refuse to overtake an HGV doing 40ish in a 60! One of my biggest gripes on todays roads are finding said 6 w
kers, who refuse to overtake, but also sit so close to the car in front, it's rather difficult to overtake them one at a time. Strangely, they must like me though cos sometimes they flash they're approval as I leapfrog them! Newsflash you s! If you have to brake/flash me once I'm past, it's cos you were too close to the car in front! Back off and leave room, or overtake yourself!!! GRRRRRR!!! Rant over...
Anyone else have pics of rubbish lines?
Most people seem to be missing the fact that if that hatched area wasn't there then most ditherers and MLMs would be sat in the middle of the wider lane making it near impossible to pass. At least these hatched areas enforce some kind of space to allow those of us who can drive to the speed limit (where appropriate blah blah blah) to get past and continue on our way unhindered.
Reason I ask is because I was stopped by unmarked police for an overtake which crossed over them.
Its illegal apparantly, and now I'm looking for them I see they've become the new double white line round my way.
In fact according to the two traffic cops who stopped me in their unmarked I should treat them exactly the same way as a double white.
Its illegal apparantly, and now I'm looking for them I see they've become the new double white line round my way.
In fact according to the two traffic cops who stopped me in their unmarked I should treat them exactly the same way as a double white.
julian64 said:
In fact according to the two traffic cops who stopped me in their unmarked I should treat them exactly the same way as a double white.
Oh dear, this is exactly the sort of opinion which makes motorists lose respect for law enforcement. When giving words of advice why not tell it like it is rather than make stuff up? If the road conditions merited DWLs the obvious question is why didn't the highway authority use them? They would need less white paint for a start. Alternatively use hatching with solid borders. There is a reason for the different types of markings otherwise they wouldn't exist.
A s/c road I use regularly has a similar dotted border hatching in the centre for around a mile and a half. As the hatching begins there is a Gatso on a downhill stretch as you come over the brow of a hill and the road straightens out. Many times I have been following a car at a steady 60 and the driver in front suddenly spots the camera at the last moment (it not that easy to see and there is no prior 'cash cow' sign) then promptly stamps on the anchors to slow to 50 (the number of people who don't seem to know what the NSL is on this type of road is staggering). If the road is clear ahead I will go offside and pass rather than have to do the same as the numpty in front, especially if there is another vehicle following too closely behind me.
julian64 said:
I thought they were wrong too, but still decided to use my appologetic face for obvious reasons.
Agreed. "Yes, Officer. Sorry, Officer. Won't do it again, Officer" and try to keep it down to a bking.Then remember HC golden rule #1 - If you're going to do something that could be seen as taking the piss, don't do it in front of Mr Plod.
I had a driver call to complain about me over taking on the "corrugated" lines (her words not mine). I'd been following her through a housing estate at 20mph for about a mile, fare enough. When we left the estate onto a 40mph road she continued with the 20mph shinanigens so I passed her. I politely explained to her the speed limit was 40, not 20 and there was no solid white line so no law broken.
crossy67 said:
I had a driver call to complain about me over taking on the "corrugated" lines (her words not mine). I'd been following her through a housing estate at 20mph for about a mile, fare enough. When we left the estate onto a 40mph road she continued with the 20mph shinanigens so I passed her. I politely explained to her the speed limit was 40, not 20 and there was no solid white line so no law broken.
go on what did she say to that?TC
crossy67 said:
Err, err but the line was corrugated. It was quite comical really, I don't give a toss even if it was a solid line I'd have still passed her, had it been safe to do so. Would you sit behind a slow moving tractor doing 20mph?
Then you would have been making an illegal manoeuvre!I agree with you and probably have overtaken tractors, bikes etc over solids (with safe visibility etc), but the HC is fairly clear and plod WILL tug you if they saw you do this:
Rule 129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Even overtaking a cyclist by crossing the solid white line can land you in trouble if they're doing more than 10mph...
However, if I gained Super Special Power Authority over our roads, the stupid bint who can't be arsed to do the speed limit would also be reprimanded!
In fact, without justification (traffic, caravan, tractor) unless you're doing within 15% of the speed limit, you should be stopped as you're ruining everyone else's day. Caravans would be stopped and reminded that if 4 or more cars are queueing behind, pull off at the next opportunity and let people past!
crossy67 said:
Yey Jim for president
I know I'd have been breaking the law but having a clean license I'd risk a few points.
I know I'd have been breaking the law but having a clean license I'd risk a few points.
Thanks! Not being one for public speaking though, I'd rather it was in a back office with a spokesman to do my bidding!
Give me a helicopter to fix and I'm happy, put me in front of a room full of people and I freeze, blush and not much else.
Right, first decrees!
There'd be a extended driving test (optional) involving special skills and timed laps round circuits (not Silverstone cos it's too flat and boring). Anyone passing would be able to drive at whatever speed they deemed safe as they'd have proven ability to handle the speed...
Anyone causing an accident on a Motorway would have an immediate 28 day ban, 6 months for a 2nd offence, 12 for a 3rd with a mandatory re test (they're more or less straight! How the f
k can you crash going in a straight line??? 
Supermarket car parks would also be included on the test (as some people seem to struggle with this).
Drifting on roundabouts would be made legal as it takes quite a lot of skill to do (providing you've passed the extended test).
Middle lane hoggers would be sent £50 fines (and like all road tax) to be spent on road improvements, pot hole filling etc.
HGVs would be banned from overtaking on a dual carriageway between 7am - 7pm (as in some European countries).
Right, that'll do for starters!
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