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missingbadly999 said:
Scotland is nuts. Their lowering the limit means drinkers can't have one pint - they should have set the bar at one pints worth what do people do?- leave a third in the glas FFS? No one will do that.
I know some naive people will say 'well they shouldn't have a pint then la di da blah blah' but it's not human nature and it should have been set at zero then.
I have a PhD in this matter from a previous life - PissHeadDestruction so stick that up ya Jacksie. It's either zero or one pint not this lily livered euro compliant wishy washy half hearted no mans land.
I live in Vic (Aus). We have had a 0.05% BAC limit for years, with heavy enforcement and lots of random breath testing, especially around christmas.I know some naive people will say 'well they shouldn't have a pint then la di da blah blah' but it's not human nature and it should have been set at zero then.
I have a PhD in this matter from a previous life - PissHeadDestruction so stick that up ya Jacksie. It's either zero or one pint not this lily livered euro compliant wishy washy half hearted no mans land.
That doesn't mean you can't drink, it just means you drink less before driving home.
I have been breathalised many times, and never been near the limit.
A can of beer after work (375 ml) is still well safe and legal.
Hint : beer isn't made in pints - you can always use a smaller glass.
My wife is a type 2 diabetic. She is one of the fortunate ones who reacts to the 'wrong' type of foods or a lack of food in general.
If she goes without food for too long or eats the wrong type first of all the first symptom is she starts to shuffle when walking, then starts bumping into things. We've always caught it at this stage but presumably the next stage wouldn't be pretty. She would never drive in this condition but it could easily be mistaken for being over the limit.
So generalisation even though you may have the same condition yourself is not a good idea.
Tribal Chestnut said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Look at it this way.....
Drinkers will be over the limit after one pint, which effectively means abstaining.
But the limit hasn't been set to absolute zero.....that'd be like the Gubnent controlling what you can or can't do.
Geddit now?
FFS! There are some genuine examples of excessive government control in our lives. This is not one of them.Drinkers will be over the limit after one pint, which effectively means abstaining.
But the limit hasn't been set to absolute zero.....that'd be like the Gubnent controlling what you can or can't do.
Geddit now?
Pit Pony said:
Mind you my wife used to work on a Cystic Fibrosis ward, and whilst it is a very sad medical issue which usually kills them, the one advantage was that most could drink 8 pints and be completely sober.
Bit sad when they get banned from driving when 5 times over the limit (I kid you not) and actually they are fully sober. More sad when they die at 24 because they couldn't get a heart/lung transplant, because not enough people are dying on the roads, due to the over policing of the drink drive laws.
Are you sure about all of this?Bit sad when they get banned from driving when 5 times over the limit (I kid you not) and actually they are fully sober. More sad when they die at 24 because they couldn't get a heart/lung transplant, because not enough people are dying on the roads, due to the over policing of the drink drive laws.
Because I'm a bit of a lightweight, even though I'm 33, and two pints yesterday afternoon had me a bit tipsy.
Ahimoth said:
Are you sure about all of this?
Because I'm a bit of a lightweight, even though I'm 33, and two pints yesterday afternoon had me a bit tipsy.
Well, as sure as I can be. I went on a couple of Ward nights out with her, the patients taking oxygen cylinders with them, and they seemed to take great pride in drinking the doctors under the table. Plus I used to go and pick her up after her weekend shifts and would spend a bit of time chatting to a lad about my own age (mid 20's) who'd lost his licence whilst completely sober, but having had 7 pints in 3 hours. He might have been bullsBecause I'm a bit of a lightweight, even though I'm 33, and two pints yesterday afternoon had me a bit tipsy.
tting me, but I believe most people, unless my own money is involved. Well, my anecdote=/=data sample size is three. I'd say we're all no different at all to the rest of the population when it comes to alcohol tolerance.
In fact as there's good reason not to over-indulge (liver damage happens anyway, so why make it worse? Plus, hangovers make me feel really ill. Then there's a bit of a link with pancreatitis) our alcohol tolerance is pretty poor.
In fact as there's good reason not to over-indulge (liver damage happens anyway, so why make it worse? Plus, hangovers make me feel really ill. Then there's a bit of a link with pancreatitis) our alcohol tolerance is pretty poor.
The Diabetes issue is very real.
I know someone who felt the on-sort of trouble, parked (in the middle of the road he discovered the next day) and went into a pub trying to get a surgery drink/chocolate etc. They thought he was pissed, and he was chucked out and beaten up. Ended up in Hospital for several days.
I know someone who felt the on-sort of trouble, parked (in the middle of the road he discovered the next day) and went into a pub trying to get a surgery drink/chocolate etc. They thought he was pissed, and he was chucked out and beaten up. Ended up in Hospital for several days.
simoid said:
IIRC you should stop/pull over unless it's unsafe...?
I'd pull over in an urban area or into a lay by, but not a motorway hard shoulder.
Not sure what the law is in other parts of the Uk re this but as far as I know in Scotland we do not fine anyone for calling in a drink driver whilst following them - I've only been a Police Dispatcher for 6 months but I've taken a few calls from members of the Public whilst they have been following a suspected DD and I've not heard of any of these having been fined etc. I may be wrong.I'd pull over in an urban area or into a lay by, but not a motorway hard shoulder.
surveyor said:
The Diabetes issue is very real.
I know someone who felt the on-sort of trouble, parked (in the middle of the road he discovered the next day) and went into a pub trying to get a surgery drink/chocolate etc. They thought he was pissed, and he was chucked out and beaten up. Ended up in Hospital for several days.
I know someone who felt the on-sort of trouble, parked (in the middle of the road he discovered the next day) and went into a pub trying to get a surgery drink/chocolate etc. They thought he was pissed, and he was chucked out and beaten up. Ended up in Hospital for several days.
My fiancee is type 1.
When she has a moment, anyone who didn't know better would think she was drunk.
missingbadly999 said:
Scotland is nuts. Their lowering the limit means drinkers can't have one pint - they should have set the bar at one pints worth what do people do?- leave a third in the glas FFS? No one will do that.
I know some naive people will say 'well they shouldn't have a pint then la di da blah blah' but it's not human nature and it should have been set at zero then.
I have a PhD in this matter from a previous life - PissHeadDestruction so stick that up ya Jacksie. It's either zero or one pint not this lily livered euro compliant wishy washy half hearted no mans land.
It's not set at zero because there are any number of reasons why you might have a residual level of alcohol in your blood. It's set at a level that says don't have a drink and drive but you're not going to get done if your mouthwash contains alcohol.I know some naive people will say 'well they shouldn't have a pint then la di da blah blah' but it's not human nature and it should have been set at zero then.
I have a PhD in this matter from a previous life - PissHeadDestruction so stick that up ya Jacksie. It's either zero or one pint not this lily livered euro compliant wishy washy half hearted no mans land.
photosnob said:
Op You are in the wrong as well here. Why not speak to the bloke, offer to drive him home and if he refuses take his keys and call the police. I'd have knocked on the window and asked him if he had 30 seconds cos I have a question.
Instead you let him drive off, then pulled over and called the police. To make yourself feel clever you came on the Internet and told some randoms.
What an absolute pile of sInstead you let him drive off, then pulled over and called the police. To make yourself feel clever you came on the Internet and told some randoms.
t.Shaw Tarse said:
ben5732 said:
Don't see why people risk it especially in that state.
Impaired judgement?Years ago I was talking to a bloke, he always took his van home before having a drink.
He said he wouldn't drive after a pint.
But if he'd had several
He was in court pretty quickly and has an 18month ban, 200 hours community service and a £400 fine. He's been round to apologise to the owners of the car, they were ok about it surprisingly.
simoid said:
It could potentially halt the potential drunk driving at source though.
Or would you rather he drove drunk and was caught?
"Could" being the operative word there. It "could" also put the OP at risk himself of challenging a drunk and trying to take his keys.Or would you rather he drove drunk and was caught?
My biggest problem with the comment was the sneering tone that the OP was coming on here to champion his actions, and that he was technically in the wrong for what he did - which he wasn't.
Apply the comment that Photosnob made to a a woman trying the same with the drunk driver, its not one size fits all.
TIGA84 said:
"Could" being the operative word there. It "could" also put the OP at risk himself of challenging a drunk and trying to take his keys.
My biggest problem with the comment was the sneering tone that the OP was coming on here to champion his actions, and that he was technically in the wrong for what he did - which he wasn't.
Apply the comment that Photosnob made to a a woman trying the same with the drunk driver, its not one size fits all.
Stop talking rubbish - there are plenty of female police officers who deal with drunk people day in day out as part of their job. The idea that they are too gentle to offer someone a lift home is pathetic. My biggest problem with the comment was the sneering tone that the OP was coming on here to champion his actions, and that he was technically in the wrong for what he did - which he wasn't.
Apply the comment that Photosnob made to a a woman trying the same with the drunk driver, its not one size fits all.
If you don't have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, then don't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm glad there are people who aren't so scared of their own shadow that they refuse to do anything - otherwise the world would be a much more bleak place. You need to grow some balls and realise that as a man you have responsibilities to protect your family and your community - being a coward and letting someone else deal with it all isn't a good way of behaving.
photosnob said:
Stop talking rubbish - there are plenty of female police officers who deal with drunk people day in day out as part of their job. The idea that they are too gentle to offer someone a lift home is pathetic.
If you don't have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, then don't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm glad there are people who aren't so scared of their own shadow that they refuse to do anything - otherwise the world would be a much more bleak place. You need to grow some balls and realise that as a man you have responsibilities to protect your family and your community - being a coward and letting someone else deal with it all isn't a good way of behaving.
So my 18 year old niece should confront a drunk driver in his car and take the keys or offer him a lift home if necessary? What a complete joke. Your reference to the female police officers is completely irrelevant as they are trained to deal with such situations.If you don't have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, then don't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm glad there are people who aren't so scared of their own shadow that they refuse to do anything - otherwise the world would be a much more bleak place. You need to grow some balls and realise that as a man you have responsibilities to protect your family and your community - being a coward and letting someone else deal with it all isn't a good way of behaving.
As for the personal and unwarranted insults towards me, well I'm sure you can fill in the gaps as necessary.
Moron.
Edited by TIGA84 on Wednesday 7th January 15:40
TIGA84 said:
photosnob said:
Stop talking rubbish - there are plenty of female police officers who deal with drunk people day in day out as part of their job. The idea that they are too gentle to offer someone a lift home is pathetic.
If you don't have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, then don't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm glad there are people who aren't so scared of their own shadow that they refuse to do anything - otherwise the world would be a much more bleak place. You need to grow some balls and realise that as a man you have responsibilities to protect your family and your community - being a coward and letting someone else deal with it all isn't a good way of behaving.
So my 18 year old niece should confront a drunk driver in his car and take the keys or offer him a lift home if necessary? What a complete joke. Your reference to the female police officers is completely irrelevant as they are trained to deal with such situations.If you don't have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, then don't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm glad there are people who aren't so scared of their own shadow that they refuse to do anything - otherwise the world would be a much more bleak place. You need to grow some balls and realise that as a man you have responsibilities to protect your family and your community - being a coward and letting someone else deal with it all isn't a good way of behaving.
As for the personal and unwarranted insults towards me, well I'm sure you can fill in the gaps as necessary.
Moron.
Edited by TIGA84 on Wednesday 7th January 15:40
TIGA84 said:
So my 18 year old niece should confront a drunk driver in his car and take the keys or offer him a lift home if necessary. What a complete joke. Your reference to the police is completely irrelevant as they are trained to deal with such situations, and as for the personal and unwarranted insults towards me, well I'm sure you can fill in the gaps as necessary.
Moron.
Your 18 year old niece can make her own decisions and can live under hew own moral compass. I personally see my role in my family and my community as a protector. I won't apologise for that. The same 18 year old niece could join the police, soon join the army in an infantry role and do pretty much everything a male can do. I think it's slightly disrespectful to assume she couldn't control the situation. Moron.
You came at me and my opinions in an aggressive manner and now complain that I'm insulting you... However I will say this - my comments were generalisations of how I'd deal with a situation. I wouldn't personally chose to take on a minibus full of thugs, however there is a whole array of ways of dealing with a situation without resorting to physical contact.
You live your life the way you want - and I'll do the same. I don't expect everyone to act in the same way. However please don't launch personal attacks and then get upset when someone come back at you. However I apologise if my comments upset you.
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