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photosnob said:
Your 18 year old niece can make her own decisions and can live under hew own moral compass. I personally see my role in my family and my community as a protector. I won't apologise for that. The same 18 year old niece could join the police, soon join the army in an infantry role and do pretty much everything a male can do. I think it's slightly disrespectful to assume she couldn't control the situation.
You came at me and my opinions in an aggressive manner and now complain that I'm insulting you... However I will say this - my comments were generalisations of how I'd deal with a situation. I wouldn't personally chose to take on a minibus full of thugs, however there is a whole array of ways of dealing with a situation without resorting to physical contact.
You live your life the way you want - and I'll do the same. I don't expect everyone to act in the same way. However please don't launch personal attacks and then get upset when someone come back at you. However I apologise if my comments upset you.
Wow, thats a pretty big chip on your shoulder - I can't honestly see a personal attack on you in any of my posts - but good luck with that. You came at me and my opinions in an aggressive manner and now complain that I'm insulting you... However I will say this - my comments were generalisations of how I'd deal with a situation. I wouldn't personally chose to take on a minibus full of thugs, however there is a whole array of ways of dealing with a situation without resorting to physical contact.
You live your life the way you want - and I'll do the same. I don't expect everyone to act in the same way. However please don't launch personal attacks and then get upset when someone come back at you. However I apologise if my comments upset you.
You seem to be obsessed with being a protector to your family, community and to be this amazing superhero that is able to deal with everything morally and properly but by the very rationale that you stand by, you'd be happy to see your daughter/niece/wife/girlfriend/granny confront a drunk driver or offer him a lift home, after all - to use your phrase - she can make her own decisions and can live under hew own moral compass, join the police, soon join the army in an infantry role and do pretty much everything a male can do and it would be disrespectful to assume she couldn't control the situation. Or am I missing something here?
You also contradict yourself by saying you wouldn't choose to take on a minibus full of thugs. What difference does that make, does your own self of self preservation and personal safety have a different meaning to others, or just when you choose it to be imposed?
What would you do in that case, call the police - after all its pretty much the only option?
Yes you would. Just like the OP did.
Edited by TIGA84 on Wednesday 7th January 16:28
TIGA84 said:
Wow, thats a pretty big chip on your shoulder - I can't honestly see a personal attack on you in any of my posts - but good luck with that.
You seem to be obsessed with being a protector to your family, community and to be this amazing superhero that is able to deal with everything morally and properly but by the very rationale that you stand by, you'd be happy to see your daughter/niece/wife/girlfriend/granny confront a drunk driver or offer him a lift home, after all - to use your phrase - she can make her own decisions and can live under hew own moral compass, join the police, soon join the army in an infantry role and do pretty much everything a male can do and it would be disrespectful to assume she couldn't control the situation. Or am I missing something here?
You also contradict yourself by saying you wouldn't choose to take on a minibus full of thugs. What difference does that make, does your own self of self preservation and personal safety have a different meaning to others, or just when you choose it to be imposed?
What would you do in that case, call the police - after all its pretty much the only option?
Yes you would. Just like the OP did.
Photosnob was polite and apologised - whats the deal, man? Cant you help yourself? You seem to be obsessed with being a protector to your family, community and to be this amazing superhero that is able to deal with everything morally and properly but by the very rationale that you stand by, you'd be happy to see your daughter/niece/wife/girlfriend/granny confront a drunk driver or offer him a lift home, after all - to use your phrase - she can make her own decisions and can live under hew own moral compass, join the police, soon join the army in an infantry role and do pretty much everything a male can do and it would be disrespectful to assume she couldn't control the situation. Or am I missing something here?
You also contradict yourself by saying you wouldn't choose to take on a minibus full of thugs. What difference does that make, does your own self of self preservation and personal safety have a different meaning to others, or just when you choose it to be imposed?
What would you do in that case, call the police - after all its pretty much the only option?
Yes you would. Just like the OP did.
Edited by TIGA84 on Wednesday 7th January 16:28
2DDav said:
Precisley what the f
k is it that makes these sub human s think they can jump in a car after 8pints and drive home!
Heading home from work last night and I came up behind a car at a set of lights. Pulled off and it was apparent something wasnt right, slow acceleration, wandering and kept jamming the brakes on when any oncoming traffic appeared.
As we progressed it became worse, and on 2 occasions he wandered onto the worng side of the road with oncoming traffic, then as we approached a lorry that was parked in a layby he indicated and went straight over into the path of an oncoming car just swerving at the last minute.
Finally we came side by side at the next traffic lights where upon the guy looked over and he wasnt a little drunk, he was completely fked. One eye was going to Tesco whilst the other was going to Asda.
Pulled over as soon as I could and done 999 but what the utter fk.
I actually shopped a guy into the police about thirty,fourty times for drink driving,so drunk he couldn't walk!Police never turned up once so i just gave up.k is it that makes these sub human s think they can jump in a car after 8pints and drive home!Heading home from work last night and I came up behind a car at a set of lights. Pulled off and it was apparent something wasnt right, slow acceleration, wandering and kept jamming the brakes on when any oncoming traffic appeared.
As we progressed it became worse, and on 2 occasions he wandered onto the worng side of the road with oncoming traffic, then as we approached a lorry that was parked in a layby he indicated and went straight over into the path of an oncoming car just swerving at the last minute.
Finally we came side by side at the next traffic lights where upon the guy looked over and he wasnt a little drunk, he was completely f
ked. One eye was going to Tesco whilst the other was going to Asda.Pulled over as soon as I could and done 999 but what the utter f
k. TIGA84 said:
Fair play to him.
However, my questions and points still remain and I've every right to challenge something that I think is bullst.
Maybe you should open your mind............
Okay - I'll answer some of your points then.However, my questions and points still remain and I've every right to challenge something that I think is bulls
t.Maybe you should open your mind............
I'd be very happy for my partner to do that. She works in the nhs as a member of frontline staff and has to deal with far more challenging and dangerous things than offering a drunk person a lift home. The rest of my family would depend on whether they were comfortable doing it... As I've tried to say, it's a personal thing. However I would be hugely disappointed if they simply let something happen then called the police and came on the Internet to tell people about it. My grandfather before his passing was over 80 when he confronted mugger, he went into the local paper and got an award for that. He didn't worry about himself and instead did what he believed was correct.
I'd take each situation separately. Would I chose to take on a minibus full of thugs if they were already arriving aggressively... Probably not. However I would talk to them and try and resolve the issue in another way. If I was unable to id either back off and call the police, or get my head kicked in. However I would know id done what I feel is right for the situation. I'm a bit weird in that I'd rather end up beaten up than feel like a coward.
As I've said not everyone is the same. I've no problem with people going about things differently. However I don't like the assumption that young females are incapable of handling themselves, nor do I like the idea that it's wrong to stand up for what you believe in. I'm no superhero and have enough scars and broken bones to prove that. However the only time I've ever felt I've been in the wrong is when I've either not done what I thought was right, or I've acted from a state of rage rather than calm.
I'll jump out of this now. I'm sure you will disagree with me and this is going to go nowhere positive.
photosnob said:
Okay - I'll answer some of your points then.
I'd be very happy for my partner to do that. She works in the nhs as a member of frontline staff and has to deal with far more challenging and dangerous things than offering a drunk person a lift home. The rest of my family would depend on whether they were comfortable doing it... As I've tried to say, it's a personal thing. However I would be hugely disappointed if they simply let something happen then called the police and came on the Internet to tell people about it. My grandfather before his passing was over 80 when he confronted mugger, he went into the local paper and got an award for that. He didn't worry about himself and instead did what he believed was correct.
I'd take each situation separately. Would I chose to take on a minibus full of thugs if they were already arriving aggressively... Probably not. However I would talk to them and try and resolve the issue in another way. If I was unable to id either back off and call the police, or get my head kicked in. However I would know id done what I feel is right for the situation. I'm a bit weird in that I'd rather end up beaten up than feel like a coward.
As I've said not everyone is the same. I've no problem with people going about things differently. However I don't like the assumption that young females are incapable of handling themselves, nor do I like the idea that it's wrong to stand up for what you believe in. I'm no superhero and have enough scars and broken bones to prove that. However the only time I've ever felt I've been in the wrong is when I've either not done what I thought was right, or I've acted from a state of rage rather than calm.
I'll jump out of this now. I'm sure you will disagree with me and this is going to go nowhere positive.
I don't, and thank you for the first non aggressive, reasoned response. I just don't believe that that its a one size fits all answer to say that the actions should be as assertive as you imply, the police have a job, and notifying them is sometimes as much as people are willing to do, or as much as they're capable or happy to distance themselves sufficiently for.I'd be very happy for my partner to do that. She works in the nhs as a member of frontline staff and has to deal with far more challenging and dangerous things than offering a drunk person a lift home. The rest of my family would depend on whether they were comfortable doing it... As I've tried to say, it's a personal thing. However I would be hugely disappointed if they simply let something happen then called the police and came on the Internet to tell people about it. My grandfather before his passing was over 80 when he confronted mugger, he went into the local paper and got an award for that. He didn't worry about himself and instead did what he believed was correct.
I'd take each situation separately. Would I chose to take on a minibus full of thugs if they were already arriving aggressively... Probably not. However I would talk to them and try and resolve the issue in another way. If I was unable to id either back off and call the police, or get my head kicked in. However I would know id done what I feel is right for the situation. I'm a bit weird in that I'd rather end up beaten up than feel like a coward.
As I've said not everyone is the same. I've no problem with people going about things differently. However I don't like the assumption that young females are incapable of handling themselves, nor do I like the idea that it's wrong to stand up for what you believe in. I'm no superhero and have enough scars and broken bones to prove that. However the only time I've ever felt I've been in the wrong is when I've either not done what I thought was right, or I've acted from a state of rage rather than calm.
I'll jump out of this now. I'm sure you will disagree with me and this is going to go nowhere positive.
It'd be s
t if they didn't bother at all. That I'm sure we're in agreement of.Enjoy your evening.
ETA - and full respect to your OH - I know how difficult it must be.
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