Detective Constable jailed for PtCoJ over speeding ticket

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Ginge R said:

You can't have it both ways. Earlier in this thread, didn't you suggest to someone who didn't have a defined benefit pension that if that wanted one, they could join plod? Similarly, if you wanted a union, you could have become a firefighter..?

And where have I suggested I 'wanted' a union. I was countering a suggestion that the Fed is in some way a 'powerful union'. I notice that poster never replied to my question.

Should the Tory Party get in again and continue their chosen path of removing another 40000 Police Officers, this will only be achieved by compulsory redundancy. If that happens, then I and every other Officer will expect to have industrial rights. If we are 'just another worker' as the Tories refer to us, then we will expect to have the same rights as everybody else.

[Ginge R]

I thought that you were bemoaning the fact there wasn't one. Just because there are redundancies isn't grounds to have industrial rights, surely? That possibility too, was in your employment contract when you joined. Bottom line is, the public sector has to be shrunk. Is it good news? Not to the extent it is being, no.

Should the police have the right to withhold their labour? No, of course not. The argument would then go, you'll be treated as 'normal' workers then, and have defined contribution pensions etc. And that's what the state wants. Be careful. Rather the devil you know than the devil you don't.

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Ginge R said:

I thought that you were bemoaning the fact there wasn't one. Just because there are redundancies isn't grounds to have industrial rights, surely? That possibility too, was in your employment contract when you joined. Bottom line is, the public sector has to be shrunk. Is it good news? Not to the extent it is being, no.

Should the police have the right to withhold their labour? No, of course not. The argument would then go, you'll be treated as 'normal' workers then, and have defined contribution pensions etc. And that's what the state wants. Be careful. Rather the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Police dont have employment contracts - they work to the Police regs which pretty much means the job can make them do whatever it wants, when it wants and they have little or no comeback and cant say no.