Car towed away with no time given to pay issued PCN?
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I've been quite surprised not to find my car where I left it on Sunday morning..
Guilty I am - parked on a double yellow at the end of the street where there is no traffic on weekends.
I rang Trace and went to collect my car from the compound they keep towed cars, at Limehouse on Commercial Road.
Paid everything they wanted, e.g. £200 for car release and £65 PCN fine.
The question is - I have been told they got my car around 10:30AM and the PCN was issued around 9AM.
Car towed - 10:30AM. (told that on the phone by towing company, no written evidence yet)
PCN issued - 9AM.
I came to release my car - 2PM. (got all evidence of payment)
So I think Those guys towed the car and issued the PCN almost simultaneously!
My point is - any chance I get something back if I appeal?
Any suggestions on building a firm evidencial appeal please (Tower Hamlets Council)?
I'm so gutted of losing £200, this is unfair - I would be quite happy to pay the PCN £65 but not this!
Guilty I am - parked on a double yellow at the end of the street where there is no traffic on weekends.
I rang Trace and went to collect my car from the compound they keep towed cars, at Limehouse on Commercial Road.
Paid everything they wanted, e.g. £200 for car release and £65 PCN fine.
The question is - I have been told they got my car around 10:30AM and the PCN was issued around 9AM.
Car towed - 10:30AM. (told that on the phone by towing company, no written evidence yet)
PCN issued - 9AM.
I came to release my car - 2PM. (got all evidence of payment)
So I think Those guys towed the car and issued the PCN almost simultaneously!
My point is - any chance I get something back if I appeal?
Any suggestions on building a firm evidencial appeal please (Tower Hamlets Council)?
I'm so gutted of losing £200, this is unfair - I would be quite happy to pay the PCN £65 but not this!
Well no, there was an hour and a half delay from issuing the PCN to the car being towed. Nonetheless, it's a pain isn't it? I'd imagine your only hope is if the parking attendant has issued the PCN incorrectly. The peoples Republic of Tower Hamlets have to pay for their 'social projects' somehow. The war on Motorists.
Still, think yourself lucky it wasn't Chiswick. You have the Hitler youth. We have the Waffen SS Deaths Head Division.
Still, think yourself lucky it wasn't Chiswick. You have the Hitler youth. We have the Waffen SS Deaths Head Division.
I once got a ticket in Bristol at 0830 and the removal lorry was there at 0915. The only reason I saved the car from getting lifted away was the noise of the lorry woke me up! I'd planned to wake up and move the car before charges started applying but I slept through my alarm, utterly my own fault.
I got a ticket on a double yellow around Kings Cross "back in the day"
(Quiet at the back!)
On the back of the ticket was the following, give or take as my memory fades:
Ticket issued = authorised for clamping
Car clamped = authorised for towing
I was lucky I returned within 10 minutes, it sounds like you werent
Unfortunate to get towed but thats what happens.
A few years back in Edinburgh the wife and I went for lunch and paid for on street parking, we got back a matter of minutes after the ticket lapsed and found a parking fine on the car with authorisation to tow, the tow truck was on the street (George Street for those who know Edinburgh) and if we had been 5 minutes later the car would have been gone, total time from ticket elapsing and car gone would have been around 10 minutes.
So 1-1/2 hours may seem unfair but bottom line is you were illegally parked and knew it.
A few years back in Edinburgh the wife and I went for lunch and paid for on street parking, we got back a matter of minutes after the ticket lapsed and found a parking fine on the car with authorisation to tow, the tow truck was on the street (George Street for those who know Edinburgh) and if we had been 5 minutes later the car would have been gone, total time from ticket elapsing and car gone would have been around 10 minutes.
So 1-1/2 hours may seem unfair but bottom line is you were illegally parked and knew it.
OP, Why do you think the towing is related to payment of the PCN?
Does Tower Hamlets have guidelines for how long cars are allowed to remain before being towed? If they have contravened their published guidelines then it's likely an appeal would work. Otherwise I don't know what your grounds for appeal would be.
Does Tower Hamlets have guidelines for how long cars are allowed to remain before being towed? If they have contravened their published guidelines then it's likely an appeal would work. Otherwise I don't know what your grounds for appeal would be.
Cliftonite said:
55palfers said:
Cliftonite said:
Why do some people think the laws of the land do not apply to them?
The travelling community?They can park anywhere / anyhow for as long as they like.
Now let us be honest - I would have guessed that the answer was as soon as the ticket is on the car it is fair game. BUT it could be that there is an obscure bit of legislation (or even part of the local T&C's) that says that such a removal can only take place after X time has elapsed unless it is an emergency, etc.
Who knows.
All I am very aware of is that there are very few stupid questions but many, many stupid answers.
An hour and a half is slow, they seem to swamp an area with trucks so they can pick up everything that's been ticketed.
The best one that I've ever done was being clamped at 10pm on a Thursday night near City road roundabout. Empty single lines everywhere and parking bays with no restrictions because of the time of night.. and I manage to park in the only loading bay that was active until 10.30
The best one that I've ever done was being clamped at 10pm on a Thursday night near City road roundabout. Empty single lines everywhere and parking bays with no restrictions because of the time of night.. and I manage to park in the only loading bay that was active until 10.30
30 minutes is the minimum time they need to allow, apparently:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/3484/regul...
(4) In this regulation—
“the appropriate period” means—
(a)in the case of a vehicle as respects which there are 3 or more penalty charges outstanding, 15 minutes;
(b)in any other case 30 minutes;
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/3484/regul...
(4) In this regulation—
“the appropriate period” means—
(a)in the case of a vehicle as respects which there are 3 or more penalty charges outstanding, 15 minutes;
(b)in any other case 30 minutes;
Pothole said:
30 minutes is the minimum time they need to allow, apparently:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/3484/regul...
(4) In this regulation—
“the appropriate period” means—
(a)in the case of a vehicle as respects which there are 3 or more penalty charges outstanding, 15 minutes;
(b)in any other case 30 minutes;
I think the 30 minutes only applies when you are/were in a parking place, in para 3 - I read that as a marked out parking bay.http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/3484/regul...
(4) In this regulation—
“the appropriate period” means—
(a)in the case of a vehicle as respects which there are 3 or more penalty charges outstanding, 15 minutes;
(b)in any other case 30 minutes;
Certainly in Ken & Chelsea I have personally witnessed (about 3 months ago) the removal truck arrive before the warden, wait, and then as soon as the warden had placed the ticket on the car, start lifting it. The car was on a single yellow at about 7pm but still in controlled hours on Old Church Street. Also yesterday I saw a car in my street in Fulham lifted within 5 minutes of being ticketed. It was in a resident parking bay suspended for the day. The warden and truck arrived together about 8.30am. The bay had been suspended so I guess it doesn't count as a parking place and get the 30 minute grace. In this case they only moved the cars from one side of the street to the other, so the owner would only pay the ticket and not the removal charge.
Morgentau said:
Car towed - 10:30AM. (told that on the phone by towing company, no written evidence yet)
PCN issued - 9AM.
So I think Those guys towed the car and issued the PCN almost simultaneously!
If you think 90 mins is 'almost simultaneously' try holding your breath and see how close they actually are.PCN issued - 9AM.
So I think Those guys towed the car and issued the PCN almost simultaneously!
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