Is my buddy going to jail???
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Greendubber said:
bulldong said:
Whilst I don't in any way condone drink driving, the person who reported her is a 
and obviously doesn't get laid enough. fking low life pathetic behaviour.
Why? She was pissed! and obviously doesn't get laid enough. fking low life pathetic behaviour.I'd say the lowlife
is the stupid cow who decided to drive home after a skin full. bulldong said:
I have no idea what she has to gain. The problem is there are no winners in this situation. I think that if the person knew she was pissed when she left then she should have said something at the time or offered to drive her home.
I have not seen anything suggesting that she didn't say something or offer to drive her home.
She actually got reported by another road user who suspected she was pissed as she was driving at under the speed limit at late o'clock.
She was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
She was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
Shuvi McTupya said:
She actually got reported by another road user who suspected she was pissed as she was driving at under the speed limit at late o'clock.
She was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
Good on himShe was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
bulldong said:
Whilst I don't in any way condone drink driving, the person who reported her is a and obviously doesn't get laid enough. fking low life pathetic behaviour.
Well the PH jury is divided on this one. The guy who recently reported his neighbour for DD on a regular basis got nothing but praise on here for doing it. and obviously doesn't get laid enough. fking low life pathetic behaviour.Neighbour is getting prosecuted, lost his job etc, etc, make of it what you will.
mikerons88 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Well the PH jury is divided on this one. The guy who recently reported his neighbour for DD on a regular basis got nothing but praise on here for doing it.
Neighbour is getting prosecuted, lost his job etc, etc, make of it what you will.
Yes, don't drink drive.Neighbour is getting prosecuted, lost his job etc, etc, make of it what you will.
In general I take a pretty dim view of drink driving. However we live in a so called civilised society that requires the justice system prove her guilt while operating within the rules themselves.
The OP has painted a pretty dim picture of Police flouting the spirit of the law (at least). So why am I not convinced? I think there is much more to this story than we are being told.
Does she make a habit of Drink driving? Is she a problem drinker? Three times over the limit, suggest to me she is a problem drinker. I have first hand experience of how alcoholics lie, to their family, friends and selves. This behaviour is actually a key indicator of problem drinking.
I also wonder why the OP seems to feel some culpability/obligation to help? Is this simply white-knighting or is there something else going on?
How old is the 'son'? Are you the 'son'? Is this why you feel culpable? If so, then let me tell you as the son of a alcoholic myself you are not culpable, not responsible. In fact the faster you 'wise up' and understand the better for your own mental health.
Dribbling out key details and extra information like the following, is not helping your cause in my eyes.
The OP has painted a pretty dim picture of Police flouting the spirit of the law (at least). So why am I not convinced? I think there is much more to this story than we are being told.
Does she make a habit of Drink driving? Is she a problem drinker? Three times over the limit, suggest to me she is a problem drinker. I have first hand experience of how alcoholics lie, to their family, friends and selves. This behaviour is actually a key indicator of problem drinking.
I also wonder why the OP seems to feel some culpability/obligation to help? Is this simply white-knighting or is there something else going on?
How old is the 'son'? Are you the 'son'? Is this why you feel culpable? If so, then let me tell you as the son of a alcoholic myself you are not culpable, not responsible. In fact the faster you 'wise up' and understand the better for your own mental health.
Dribbling out key details and extra information like the following, is not helping your cause in my eyes.
Shuvi McTupya said:
She actually got reported by another road user who suspected she was pissed as she was driving at under the speed limit at late o'clock.
She was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
That suggests a very significant level of concern over the driving and a high degree of oblivion on the part of your friend to not notice she was being followed.She was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
I didn't intentionally with hold that bit of info, I just realised it had become relevant when people started talking about why she wasn't spoken too or perhaps even offered a lift home by the person that reported her.
I don't feel responsible in any way and I am not her son. I am actually seeing her at the moment, but I wasn't at the time of the incident. I was in the pub that she left and we had a cab booked that was due to arrive in about 15 minutes and all of a sudden we realised that she had left (she was pretty stressed at the time, going through a divorce and sale of the house , looking for new place to live, and just starting a new job all at the same time) .
I agree, her driving must have been bad to attract the attention she got, and Yes she likes a few glasses of wine, but that Was the only time I gave been aware of her drinking and driving.
I don't feel responsible in any way and I am not her son. I am actually seeing her at the moment, but I wasn't at the time of the incident. I was in the pub that she left and we had a cab booked that was due to arrive in about 15 minutes and all of a sudden we realised that she had left (she was pretty stressed at the time, going through a divorce and sale of the house , looking for new place to live, and just starting a new job all at the same time) .
I agree, her driving must have been bad to attract the attention she got, and Yes she likes a few glasses of wine, but that Was the only time I gave been aware of her drinking and driving.
La Liga said:
Landshark said:
Not anymore, that power was repealed by the serious organised crime and police act 2005. Although S17 of PACE can be used if officer has reasonable grounds for believing the person committing the offence is inside the premises.
Was it repealed? I thought SOCPA merely amended / replaced "arrestable" with "indictable" under S.17 of PACE, and the preserved powers of entry for specific summary only offences remained nearly all the same as they were.
bulldong said:
Whilst I don't in any way condone drink driving, the person who reported her is a and obviously doesn't get laid enough. fking low life pathetic behaviour.
You don't condone drink-driving, but do condone those who wish to have action taken against a very high risk group of drivers. and obviously doesn't get laid enough. fking low life pathetic behaviour.
I was pretty sure that it was taken out from S4 RTA? s4(7)
Derek Smith said:
I doubt there are any officers, or civilians, whose job it is to search the internet for clues. However, as you indicated, there are serving officers who use forums and one might know of a colleague who was involved in a similar job. A little bit of investigation and all of a sudden . . .
In less sophisticated times, people used to post on forums giving heads up for raves and such. Not quite the same of course, but every now and again, an operational officer might have a spare few moments.
With sophisticated search engines all sorts of useful results can be revealed if you start looking.
At one time Mr Steven E Callaghan posting under “pitmansboots” working for a Speed Partnership was said to be trawling internet threads for motorists incriminating themselves while looking for advice.In less sophisticated times, people used to post on forums giving heads up for raves and such. Not quite the same of course, but every now and again, an operational officer might have a spare few moments.
With sophisticated search engines all sorts of useful results can be revealed if you start looking.
He’s long gone with that name, but no doubt still lurking under another guise.
Shuvi McTupya said:
I didn't intentionally with hold that bit of info, I just realised it had become relevant when people started talking about why she wasn't spoken too or perhaps even offered a lift home by the person that reported her.
I don't feel responsible in any way and I am not her son. I am actually seeing her at the moment, but I wasn't at the time of the incident. I was in the pub that she left and we had a cab booked that was due to arrive in about 15 minutes and all of a sudden we realised that she had left (she was pretty stressed at the time, going through a divorce and sale of the house , looking for new place to live, and just starting a new job all at the same time) .
I agree, her driving must have been bad to attract the attention she got, and Yes she likes a few glasses of wine, but that Was the only time I gave been aware of her drinking and driving.
OK. I understand your sense of responsibly now.I don't feel responsible in any way and I am not her son. I am actually seeing her at the moment, but I wasn't at the time of the incident. I was in the pub that she left and we had a cab booked that was due to arrive in about 15 minutes and all of a sudden we realised that she had left (she was pretty stressed at the time, going through a divorce and sale of the house , looking for new place to live, and just starting a new job all at the same time) .
I agree, her driving must have been bad to attract the attention she got, and Yes she likes a few glasses of wine, but that Was the only time I gave been aware of her drinking and driving.
Is the son a child, teenager or adult?
The expression, "I not alcoholic, I just like a drink/few glasses or wine" should be considered a red flag, for your own benefit you should consider the warning signs.
(Here are a few, no need to answer here, just think about them).
Does she consume alcohol every day, most days, more regularly than you are comfortable with.
Once she has started drinking, can she stop, can she put an open bottle of wine back in the fridge for another day or must it be finished, or must she always get drunk once started drinking.
Secretive (or outright lies) about levels alcohol consumption and/or purchased.
Alcohol purchased regularly with little obvious evidence of consumption.
Significant observable personality changes when drunk. Goes from introverted to gregarious or gregarious to morose vice-verse. Examples of this happening when you are unaware of drinking.
Only organises events based on alcohol, all events involve alcohol.
Just be aware, alcohol is the most important thing in an alcohol life, it will always come first.
Edited by Martin4x4 on Wednesday 24th December 10:33
Cooperman said:
What offence? Until it has been established that the vehicle had been driven by a person over the DD limit, there is no evidence of an offence, just a phone call to the police from a member of the public.
How is that a reason to force entry? (I do realise that in this case entry was not forced).
I'm sure the evidence in court will be substantiated by facts such as (just as example, I'm not saying this was what occurred):How is that a reason to force entry? (I do realise that in this case entry was not forced).
-the accused was drinking in a bar
-the accused took car into town earlier in evening to visit bar
-the accused's car was found at home address, possibly warm
-the accused was only person with legal access to car (and the accused has not reported it stolen or allowed somebody not insured for that vehicle to drive it)
-the accused cannot substantiate any claim of somebody else driving the car to their address
-witness testimony of impaired driving
-evidential breath alcohol reading
In any case, I'm sure there is at least some evidence and not none
Martin,
I have always been a drinker myself so her drinking does not concern me. She doesn't drink every single day but I certainly wouldn't raise an eye lid if she had a couple of glasses of wine on a 'school night '. She doesn't need to finish a bottle just because it had been opened or anything like that! I may have seen her polish of a bottle in an evening but that is not normal behaviour by any means.
Oh, the son in question is 22, she also has a 19yr old.
I have always been a drinker myself so her drinking does not concern me. She doesn't drink every single day but I certainly wouldn't raise an eye lid if she had a couple of glasses of wine on a 'school night '. She doesn't need to finish a bottle just because it had been opened or anything like that! I may have seen her polish of a bottle in an evening but that is not normal behaviour by any means.
Oh, the son in question is 22, she also has a 19yr old.
ModernAndy said:
Cooperman said:
What offence? Until it has been established that the vehicle had been driven by a person over the DD limit, there is no evidence of an offence, just a phone call to the police from a member of the public.
How is that a reason to force entry? (I do realise that in this case entry was not forced).
I'm sure the evidence in court will be substantiated by facts such as (just as example, I'm not saying this was what occurred):How is that a reason to force entry? (I do realise that in this case entry was not forced).
-the accused was drinking in a bar
-the accused took car into town earlier in evening to visit bar
-the accused's car was found at home address, possibly warm
-the accused was only person with legal access to car (and the accused has not reported it stolen or allowed somebody not insured for that vehicle to drive it)
-the accused cannot substantiate any claim of somebody else driving the car to their address
-witness testimony of impaired driving
-evidential breath alcohol reading
In any case, I'm sure there is at least some evidence and not none
Shuvi McTupya said:
Pretty much bang on Andy, she didn't take the car to the pub, and the town is just a shop and a pub, but everything else is accurate..
That's fair enough. As I clearly said, I'm not saying that's what happened, it's just an example of the sorts of evidence that I'm sure will be considered. How do the CPS intend to prove she was driving the car drunk? or are they just taking a shot in the dark based on her going a bit slow down a country road?
mikerons88 said:
Shuvi McTupya said:
She actually got reported by another road user who suspected she was pissed as she was driving at under the speed limit at late o'clock.
She was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
Good on himShe was on a back country mostly single track road doing about 30-35mph when you are allowed to do 60mph and most people do about 50. He followed her until she pulled onto the drive and then phoned in the address.
ModernAndy said:
That's fair enough. As I clearly said, I'm not saying that's what happened, it's just an example of the sorts of evidence that I'm sure will be considered.
How do the CPS intend to prove she was driving the car drunk? or are they just taking a shot in the dark based on her going a bit slow down a country road?
It seems they won't have to prove anything , she will be putting in a guilty plea.. How do the CPS intend to prove she was driving the car drunk? or are they just taking a shot in the dark based on her going a bit slow down a country road?
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