Ticket in Limited Speed Hire Vehicle
Discussion
Johnnytheboy said:
allergictocheese said:
Either better publicise the current law or revise it would be my opinion.
To my knowledge the only time the general public are told about this is at speed awareness courses, after they've been caught.
For s
t & giggles, I've sent a link to this thread to the Transport Minister.
If I get a response I'll let you know the official government position but don't hold your breath because they will be busy for a while sorting the really important stuff like putting union flags on driving licences!
t & giggles, I've sent a link to this thread to the Transport Minister.If I get a response I'll let you know the official government position but don't hold your breath because they will be busy for a while sorting the really important stuff like putting union flags on driving licences!
Well for one I hope they do read it and the various other threads arguing about dual purpose vehicles. It's a dog's breakfast and for one I'm tired of correcting the complete twaddle written on here. I'm sure SS2 feels the same.
If they are reviewing this regulation to sort out, as promised, the NSL rules for heavy goods, they should look at this mess and not just sort it out for their mates in big business but stop the problems faced by ordinary drivers and small businesses.
Not wishing to single out Sussex again, as they are trying harder than others but another quote from their specific page on car derived vans shows the again how complicated it can be.
On top of the earlier quotes giving incorrect and potentially misleading information we have this.
If they are reviewing this regulation to sort out, as promised, the NSL rules for heavy goods, they should look at this mess and not just sort it out for their mates in big business but stop the problems faced by ordinary drivers and small businesses.
Not wishing to single out Sussex again, as they are trying harder than others but another quote from their specific page on car derived vans shows the again how complicated it can be.
On top of the earlier quotes giving incorrect and potentially misleading information we have this.
Sussex Safer Roads partnership further said:
Q.Are there any anomalies?
A.Yes.The Citroen Berlingo was a van before it was a car, therefore it is not a car-derived van and must comply with the same speed limits for larger vans. The Citroen Nemo, Fiat Fiorino and Peugeot Bipper are small vans under the 2.0tonne laden weight limit but, since they have no car equivalent, they are not thought of as being ‘car-derived’ vans. This means that they are subject to the lower speed limitsthat apply to the larger van types.
Q. Are there any exceptions to the above guidelines?
A. Potentially.Vehicles which have been modified from their original factory specification may be subjected to revised speed limits (either higher or lower).At the time of any modification, the DVLA should have been notified and the V5C updated appropriately – if this didn’t happen then the van owner may be breaking the law. The updated V5C will show the revised classification and the appropriate speed limits would then apply.Vehicles imported from other countries (for example the Nissan S-Cargo which seems to be becoming more popular) should have been correctly registered at the time of their importation.Refer back to the V5C and, if you’re unclear, contact the DVLA directly.
http://www.sussexsaferroads.gov.uk/costs/car-derived-vans.htmlA.Yes.The Citroen Berlingo was a van before it was a car, therefore it is not a car-derived van and must comply with the same speed limits for larger vans. The Citroen Nemo, Fiat Fiorino and Peugeot Bipper are small vans under the 2.0tonne laden weight limit but, since they have no car equivalent, they are not thought of as being ‘car-derived’ vans. This means that they are subject to the lower speed limitsthat apply to the larger van types.
Q. Are there any exceptions to the above guidelines?
A. Potentially.Vehicles which have been modified from their original factory specification may be subjected to revised speed limits (either higher or lower).At the time of any modification, the DVLA should have been notified and the V5C updated appropriately – if this didn’t happen then the van owner may be breaking the law. The updated V5C will show the revised classification and the appropriate speed limits would then apply.Vehicles imported from other countries (for example the Nissan S-Cargo which seems to be becoming more popular) should have been correctly registered at the time of their importation.Refer back to the V5C and, if you’re unclear, contact the DVLA directly.
Thanks for the info I think I understand now
A car derived van might be a car or a van and is limited depending on its weight
(unless it is definitely a car in which case it doesn't matter what it weighs)
A van derived car might be a car or a minibus and is limited depending on the number of seats
Simples
A car derived van might be a car or a van and is limited depending on its weight
(unless it is definitely a car in which case it doesn't matter what it weighs)
A van derived car might be a car or a minibus and is limited depending on the number of seats
Simples
So what happens when you have an 8+driver seater that is obviously adapted for the carriage of passengers and their luggage only, and is called a "diesel car" on the V5C but the seats are removable and you fit specific load carrying features that can be used when the seats are taken out?
Do you have the higher speed limits when the seats are in and lower when they're out?
What's the actual authority on this, and does a magistrate, a police officer or a member of the public have a hope in hell of working out the answer?
Do you have the higher speed limits when the seats are in and lower when they're out?
What's the actual authority on this, and does a magistrate, a police officer or a member of the public have a hope in hell of working out the answer?
FiF said:
Well for one I hope they do read it and the various other threads arguing about dual purpose vehicles. It's a dog's breakfast and for one I'm tired of correcting the complete twaddle written on here. I'm sure SS2 feels the same.
If they are reviewing this regulation to sort out, as promised, the NSL rules for heavy goods, they should look at this mess and not just sort it out for their mates in big business but stop the problems faced by ordinary drivers and small businesses.
Not wishing to single out Sussex again, as they are trying harder than others but another quote from their specific page on car derived vans shows the again how complicated it can be.
On top of the earlier quotes giving incorrect and potentially misleading information we have this.
you and others sorted me out ages ago on exactly what my van is, but I am still of the opinion that what is written on my V5C stops me getting speeding tickets.If they are reviewing this regulation to sort out, as promised, the NSL rules for heavy goods, they should look at this mess and not just sort it out for their mates in big business but stop the problems faced by ordinary drivers and small businesses.
Not wishing to single out Sussex again, as they are trying harder than others but another quote from their specific page on car derived vans shows the again how complicated it can be.
On top of the earlier quotes giving incorrect and potentially misleading information we have this.
Sussex Safer Roads partnership further said:
Q.Are there any anomalies?
A.Yes.The Citroen Berlingo was a van before it was a car, therefore it is not a car-derived van and must comply with the same speed limits for larger vans. The Citroen Nemo, Fiat Fiorino and Peugeot Bipper are small vans under the 2.0tonne laden weight limit but, since they have no car equivalent, they are not thought of as being ‘car-derived’ vans. This means that they are subject to the lower speed limitsthat apply to the larger van types.
Q. Are there any exceptions to the above guidelines?
A. Potentially.Vehicles which have been modified from their original factory specification may be subjected to revised speed limits (either higher or lower).At the time of any modification, the DVLA should have been notified and the V5C updated appropriately – if this didn’t happen then the van owner may be breaking the law. The updated V5C will show the revised classification and the appropriate speed limits would then apply.Vehicles imported from other countries (for example the Nissan S-Cargo which seems to be becoming more popular) should have been correctly registered at the time of their importation.Refer back to the V5C and, if you’re unclear, contact the DVLA directly.
http://www.sussexsaferroads.gov.uk/costs/car-derived-vans.htmlA.Yes.The Citroen Berlingo was a van before it was a car, therefore it is not a car-derived van and must comply with the same speed limits for larger vans. The Citroen Nemo, Fiat Fiorino and Peugeot Bipper are small vans under the 2.0tonne laden weight limit but, since they have no car equivalent, they are not thought of as being ‘car-derived’ vans. This means that they are subject to the lower speed limitsthat apply to the larger van types.
Q. Are there any exceptions to the above guidelines?
A. Potentially.Vehicles which have been modified from their original factory specification may be subjected to revised speed limits (either higher or lower).At the time of any modification, the DVLA should have been notified and the V5C updated appropriately – if this didn’t happen then the van owner may be breaking the law. The updated V5C will show the revised classification and the appropriate speed limits would then apply.Vehicles imported from other countries (for example the Nissan S-Cargo which seems to be becoming more popular) should have been correctly registered at the time of their importation.Refer back to the V5C and, if you’re unclear, contact the DVLA directly.
The best example of this, for me, was myself and my mate, me in my 06 plate Caddy, V5C saying car derived van, him in his 55 plate Connect, V5C saying panel van, passing a scamera van in Gloucestershire, in convoy, me as lead vehicle, nsl single carriageway at 60 mph, he got a ticket, I didn't.
We also have the example of a Vauxhall Combo you used to post, from Scotland, despite it having a laden weight of less that two tons, a Scottish court decided it wasn't a car derived van.
If I ever get a ticket, I'll use the V5C as mitigation (I know I'll only get away with this once, if at all).
As you quite rightly say, it's a mess, and without PH, I'd be non the wiser now.
Looking at taxation classes ? The poster is correct, mine does say taxation class Euro 4 light goods vehicle & "J" vehicle category N1, but FFS, how far are we supposed to go ?
VW have it type approved as a car derived van.
A government agency (DVLA) have it registered as a car derived van.
I just drive it.
I also know that later VW Caddys say "panel van", and that VW have altered the plate regarding the rear axle so they can have car tyres rated at "91", my rear axle is rated at 20 KGs over the limit, so regardless of what I carry, I have to use "93" rated tyres (95 in reality as 93s are as rare as hens teeth).
Vans are a fooking nightmare, I'd have stayed with a car if I had realised all this before I bought it.
And then we get onto driving hours regs, oh my fooking god !
Talking of Vauxhall Combo remember this?
Dept of Transport said:
Using those criteria, this Division recently advised an enquirer that the Vauxhall Combo did not appear to be a car-derived van since its wheel-base and track are different from those of the Corsa car. However, we added the caveat that our advice was subject to any decision made in a court of law.
Again how is anybody being chucked a set of keys to one of these and expected to get straight in and drive it away to know. Clearly the safest option, safest being in terms of risk to licence, to adopt the lower limits just in case. Law, ass, dog's breakfast, needs sorting. FiF said:
Again how is anybody being chucked a set of keys to one of these and expected to get straight in and drive it away to know. Clearly the safest option, safest being in terms of risk to licence, to adopt the lower limits just in case. Law, ass, dog's breakfast, needs sorting.
I do, and I drove one of those for a couple of years, when it was called a Vauxhall Corsa Combo, including driving in Scotland. It was before PH days, and I had no idea regarding the lower speed limits it could be subject to.
Even Vauxhall used to advertise it wasn't subject to the lower limits, or the Astra, despite them not making a 2 door estate anymore.
Well I got a reply today.
It contained the following about speed limits or driving licence categories:
Absolutely nothing!
It did contain some bullst about union flags on licences improving national unity, and why we couldn't have no flag/national flags because it would cost too much and stupid people in European law enforcement mght not recognise these variants.
It contained the following about speed limits or driving licence categories:
Absolutely nothing!
It did contain some bulls
t about union flags on licences improving national unity, and why we couldn't have no flag/national flags because it would cost too much and stupid people in European law enforcement mght not recognise these variants.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff