Car has 9 inch rust hole 8 months after buying from a dealer
Discussion
markmullen said:
Just have a think about that, the OP will have paid a grand or two for a well worn out Shogun, which, when I was selling them were £33,000 each new. So he's paid between 1/33rd and 1/16th of the price when new. Do you think it will have no problems for that kind of money? Is that realistic? Really?
Your comment about people not all being loaded and the amount of money they have makes no difference. If you are poor and the best hotel you can afford is a grimy b&b for £20 a night would you expect it to be like Claridges because that's all you can afford? If you only have the money to live in a grim ex council estate in the North East do you think your home will be like a £5m mansion in a leafy village in the Cotswolds? If you eat at McDonalds because it's what you can afford are you astonished to find the dining experience doesn't live up to a Michelin starred restaurant?
TL:DR Champagne tastes and lemonade pockets.
I would have thought a Shogun was more Asti Spurmante tastes. Your comment about people not all being loaded and the amount of money they have makes no difference. If you are poor and the best hotel you can afford is a grimy b&b for £20 a night would you expect it to be like Claridges because that's all you can afford? If you only have the money to live in a grim ex council estate in the North East do you think your home will be like a £5m mansion in a leafy village in the Cotswolds? If you eat at McDonalds because it's what you can afford are you astonished to find the dining experience doesn't live up to a Michelin starred restaurant?
TL:DR Champagne tastes and lemonade pockets.
Devil2575 said:
drew.h said:
I will never again buy from a dealer, I've had far better cars buying blind on eBay.
I am not supprised at all that you feel like this but it is folly to base your opinions of car dealers on a single experience, even if it was two cars. Personal experience is frequently not a good basis for making decisions, even though it is the method most often used my people.
king idiot for buying two cars without even looking at them especially at this end of the market. I remember your Saab thread and must admit in that case I think you were very very lucky to get your money back... 
Devil2575 said:
drew.h said:
I will never again buy from a dealer, I've had far better cars buying blind on eBay.
I am not supprised at all that you feel like this but it is folly to base your opinions of car dealers on a single experience, even if it was two cars. Personal experience is frequently not a good basis for making decisions, even though it is the method most often used my people.greggy50 said:
In addition to what I posted above agree this is a statement whilst I feel dealer in this case does have some liability as I have said I still feel you a fking idiot for buying two cars without even looking at them especially at this end of the market. I remember your Saab thread and must admit in that case I think you were very very lucky to get your money back...
The OP has two significant hurdles; firstly, he has to convince a court that the quality of the product is not what should be expected from a 13 year old, peanuts money, off roader and, secondly, prove that a fault of such seriousness was present when the trader sold the car 8 months previously. king idiot for buying two cars without even looking at them especially at this end of the market. I remember your Saab thread and must admit in that case I think you were very very lucky to get your money back... There are two hopes in that...
Suck it up OP, the dealer is not liable here.
markmullen said:
buggalugs said:
If there's a dealer out there selling st cars and handing out worthless MOT's then I encourage OP to do something about it.
A lot of people focus on the fact that it was an older and cheaper car. Who cares. We're not all loaded. 1K to one man might be like 10K to another or £100K to Alan Sugar. The dealer chose to buy that car and sell it again for a profit. The dealer no doubt paid feck all for it and took on the risk that it was a lemon to turn a profit. The dealer is the experienced expert in buying and selling cars here not the OP and as such carries more responsibility both legally and morally. The OP paid more for the car than buying privately because he wanted to take advantage of that experience and expertise and be covered by a warranty. Do people not deserve recompence because they can't afford a more expensive car?
To rephrase the last line of your comment: t cars and handing out worthless MOT's then I encourage OP to do something about it.A lot of people focus on the fact that it was an older and cheaper car. Who cares. We're not all loaded. 1K to one man might be like 10K to another or £100K to Alan Sugar. The dealer chose to buy that car and sell it again for a profit. The dealer no doubt paid feck all for it and took on the risk that it was a lemon to turn a profit. The dealer is the experienced expert in buying and selling cars here not the OP and as such carries more responsibility both legally and morally. The OP paid more for the car than buying privately because he wanted to take advantage of that experience and expertise and be covered by a warranty. Do people not deserve recompence because they can't afford a more expensive car?
what buggalugs is inferring said:
Do people not deserve a car as good as a new one when they pay very little for a tired worn out one
Just have a think about that, the OP will have paid a grand or two for a well worn out Shogun, which, when I was selling them were £33,000 each new. So he's paid between 1/33rd and 1/16th of the price when new. Do you think it will have no problems for that kind of money? Is that realistic? Really? Your comment about people not all being loaded and the amount of money they have makes no difference. If you are poor and the best hotel you can afford is a grimy b&b for £20 a night would you expect it to be like Claridges because that's all you can afford? If you only have the money to live in a grim ex council estate in the North East do you think your home will be like a £5m mansion in a leafy village in the Cotswolds? If you eat at McDonalds because it's what you can afford are you astonished to find the dining experience doesn't live up to a Michelin starred restaurant?
TL:DR Champagne tastes and lemonade pockets.
markmullen said:
Champagne tastes and lemonade pockets.
That's the crux of it. To the people saying how we're not all rich, no, we're not, me included, but if we're not then we have to accept what we can afford and not over-expect of it. That's why I haven't got a brand new £100k car on the drive, but I'm happy with the one(s) I do have.Nobody is liable for a rust hole in a 14 year old car which last changed hands 9 months ago except the current owner, and whilst I'm sorry that he was injured in an accident, that doesn't make this situation anyone else's fault either. I very much doubt the seller was even aware, and I also doubt the OP was forced to buy it.
greggy50 said:
My MINI lived on the drive for 3 years and was driven in all weather and always passed the MOT okay it was only about 18 months ago the rot set in hence why I took it off the road for a rebuild.
I have heard that Metros are even worse than MINIs for rust though...
I also had a Mini on a G plate, and I would say apart from the A panels you are correct. The A panels did go from pretty ok to rusty crud in about a year though. the rest was didn't really change in the time I had it thoughI have heard that Metros are even worse than MINIs for rust though...
CAPP0 said:
That's the crux of it. To the people saying how we're not all rich, no, we're not, me included, but if we're not then we have to accept what we can afford and not over-expect of it. That's why I haven't got a brand new £100k car on the drive, but I'm happy with the one(s) I do have.
Nobody is liable for a rust hole in a 14 year old car which last changed hands 9 months ago except the current owner, and whilst I'm sorry that he was injured in an accident, that doesn't make this situation anyone else's fault either. I very much doubt the seller was even aware, and I also doubt the OP was forced to buy it.
Well said.Nobody is liable for a rust hole in a 14 year old car which last changed hands 9 months ago except the current owner, and whilst I'm sorry that he was injured in an accident, that doesn't make this situation anyone else's fault either. I very much doubt the seller was even aware, and I also doubt the OP was forced to buy it.
buggalugs said:
A car with a 9 inch hole in it is not worth the same as one without. When you buy a car from a dealer at dealer prices there is a tacit trust that there are no 9 inch holes in it. Doesn't matter what the car is.
There is also a recommendation to have a car inspected if you are unable to do so yourself and want further peace of mind.unrepentant said:
Devil2575 said:
drew.h said:
I will never again buy from a dealer, I've had far better cars buying blind on eBay.
I am not supprised at all that you feel like this but it is folly to base your opinions of car dealers on a single experience, even if it was two cars. Personal experience is frequently not a good basis for making decisions, even though it is the method most often used my people.I don't think anyone is suggesting that he bought it from a main dealer, but whether you refer to a back street car lot that sells older cars as a dealer or a trader is neither here nor there.
Devil2575 said:
But we all know what he means regardless of semantics.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that he bought it from a main dealer, but whether you refer to a back street car lot that sells older cars as a dealer or a trader is neither here nor there.
There's a world of difference. You can set up Devil motors from a vacant lot or your garage and sell old beaters. A dealer has usually invested millions in building a business and a reputation and would probably send said beaters straight to auction or call Devil motors and offload to them rather than risk his reputation retailing them.I don't think anyone is suggesting that he bought it from a main dealer, but whether you refer to a back street car lot that sells older cars as a dealer or a trader is neither here nor there.
unrepentant said:
There's a world of difference. You can set up Devil motors from a vacant lot or your garage and sell old beaters. A dealer has usually invested millions in building a business and a reputation and would probably send said beaters straight to auction or call Devil motors and offload to them rather than risk his reputation retailing them.
In practice maybe but legally they are both subject to the Sale of Goods Act.Op. Why dont YOU fix YOUR car? Instead of feeding this whole everything is somone elses fault culture. Seriously, you bought an old jeep for the price of a pushbike, get real or just accept you cant afford to be a car owner...... yes i am a dealer so see it differently,but i too run old ste, and they need stuff doing, its what comes with buying what was ultimately a near end of life vehicle... Spend a wee bit getting it welded up, or bung it to auction and buy something else, its how your end of the market works.
te, and they need stuff doing, its what comes with buying what was ultimately a near end of life vehicle... Spend a wee bit getting it welded up, or bung it to auction and buy something else, its how your end of the market works. annsxman said:
unrepentant said:
There's a world of difference. You can set up Devil motors from a vacant lot or your garage and sell old beaters. A dealer has usually invested millions in building a business and a reputation and would probably send said beaters straight to auction or call Devil motors and offload to them rather than risk his reputation retailing them.
In practice maybe but legally they are both subject to the Sale of Goods Act.unrepentant said:
Did you just hit reply without reading? "Dealers" generally don't sell fag end stuff like this, they off them to auction or to "Traders".
For the purpose of SOGA, what differences in rights does the OP have between 'dealers' and 'traders'?I'll give you a hint: None.
Oh, btw, a dealer is someone who professionally deals in cars. A trader is someone who professionally trades in cars. There is no chasm between the two.
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