Car has 9 inch rust hole 8 months after buying from a dealer

Car has 9 inch rust hole 8 months after buying from a dealer

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drew.h

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526 posts

189 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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8 months ago I bought a 2nd hand car from a dealer. Over the past few weeks a rust patch has become more apparent on the inside of the wing where some wax oil had been painted by a previous owner. When I tried to clean the area to apply more paint the wire brush went through the wing leaving a 9 inch hole. This is next to the suspension strut and I assume classed as load bearing, so won't pass MOT.

Could I argue that this was a fault present in the car when I bought it?
Does the dealer have any responsibility to repair this?

papa3

1,413 posts

187 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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How old it it and what type of car? Main dealer?

drew.h

Original Poster:

526 posts

189 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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2001 Shogun, not a main dealer.

onesickpuppy

2,648 posts

157 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Doubt it. Old car is rusting, not a shock.

andburg

7,273 posts

169 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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ask nicely if they would be willing to complete the repair or contribute to the cost. Structural steel would not rust through in 8 months so was covered up by someone.

Its unlikely you'd be able to prove anything to take it further.




JimmyConwayNW

3,062 posts

125 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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I would very much doubt it.

It seems you have caused the hole anyway with the wire brush?

POORCARDEALER

8,524 posts

241 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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drew.h said:
8 months ago I bought a 2nd hand car from a dealer. Over the past few weeks a rust patch has become more apparent on the inside of the wing where some wax oil had been painted by a previous owner. When I tried to clean the area to apply more paint the wire brush went through the wing leaving a 9 inch hole. This is next to the suspension strut and I assume classed as load bearing, so won't pass MOT.

Could I argue that this was a fault present in the car when I bought it?
Does the dealer have any responsibility to repair this?
You are not been serious are you?

Adz The Rat

14,043 posts

209 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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If someone rang me with this problem, I think I would laugh so hard my lungs would collapse.

silentbrown

8,823 posts

116 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Trading standards say a car bought from a dealer should be... said:
- Of a satisfactory quality - free from minor defects, safe and durable for a reasonable length of time. When assessing satisfactory quality you should take into account the price you paid for the vehicle, its age, mileage and condition at the time of sale.

- Fit for its intended purpose or a purpose that you made known to the trader - fit to be driven on the road.
You bought a 13-year old shed and drove it for 8 months. Old cars can get rusty. I can't see you have leg to stand on.

BertBert

19,025 posts

211 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Adz The Rat said:
If someone rang me with this problem, I think I would laugh so hard my lungs would collapse.
Thread hijack...nice photos btw. Looks like all the cars have their springs surgically removed on entry to the event biggrin

Megaflow

9,388 posts

225 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Won't a 2001 shotgun be on a ladder chassis, as such the body won't be classed as structural?

Adz The Rat

14,043 posts

209 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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BertBert said:
Thread hijack...nice photos btw. Looks like all the cars have their springs surgically removed on entry to the event biggrin
Took me a while to figure out what you meant then wink

Squiggs

1,520 posts

155 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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drew.h said:
8 months ago I bought a 2nd hand car from a dealer. Over the past few weeks a rust patch has become more apparent on the inside of the wing where some wax oil had been painted by a previous owner. When I tried to clean the area to apply more paint the wire brush went through the wing leaving a 9 inch hole. This is next to the suspension strut and I assume classed as load bearing, so won't pass MOT.

Could I argue that this was a fault present in the car when I bought it?
Does the dealer have any responsibility to repair this?
BLOOD E HELL!!!!!!!!!

This has got to be a wind up!

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Take it back. Tell him all about how the leather seat has got creases in it. Point out the disgusting state of the exhaust tail pipe. Make him count the stone chips in the headlamps.

You gave him your trust, and this is how he treats you!?

Hainey

4,381 posts

200 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Is it a Shogun, or Shogun Pinin?

They can both corrode pretty badly, but the Pinin is known for being rust prone to the levels of a 70's Lancia. I've seen mint looking examples (on the surface) that flex like tupperware when you jack them up or apply pressure to the bulkhead. The rear is also a weak point on them at the boot floor behind the bumper. It's an MOT fail either end, and they are usually scrapped as you can be into them for 5/6/700 quid of welding on what is a cheap car anyway if it happens front and rear. Which usually when you look, it's in more than one site.

As for recourse, I don't think after 8 months you can reasonably expect any on a car of that age.

HertsBiker

6,308 posts

271 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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How much did you pay for it? It is an old car now, in salty England. I'm guessing that last bit, but all the same, 14 years of gradual corrosion... A grand tops?

voyds9

8,488 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Adz The Rat said:
BertBert said:
Thread hijack...nice photos btw. Looks like all the cars have their springs surgically removed on entry to the event biggrin
Took me a while to figure out what you meant then wink
That's just because they clean the bits that are showing. wink

drew.h

Original Poster:

526 posts

189 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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At the time I bought this car I was in no fit state to properly inspect it, so I thought I'd go to a dealer so I wouldn't end up buying a lemon. I bought 2 cars from dealers at the time, this and a Saab. The Saab I had to take to small claims and I eventually got my money back. Now this car I've had for 8 months is little more than scrap. I will never again buy from a dealer, I've had far better cars buying blind on eBay.

markmullen

15,877 posts

234 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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drew.h said:
At the time I bought this car I was in no fit state to properly inspect it, so I thought I'd go to a dealer so I wouldn't end up buying a lemon. I bought 2 cars from dealers at the time, this and a Saab. The Saab I had to take to small claims and I eventually got my money back. Now this car I've had for 8 months is little more than scrap. I will never again buy from a dealer, I've had far better cars buying blind on eBay.
How much did you pay for the Saab? If you keep buying cheap snotters you have to accept you'll not get the reliability and backup of buying a new car. There is a reason old well used cars are cheap, it is because they are closer to the end of their life than a new car. To think anything otherwise is naivety.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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drew.h said:
At the time I bought this car I was in no fit state to properly inspect it, so I thought I'd go to a dealer so I wouldn't end up buying a lemon. I bought 2 cars from dealers at the time, this and a Saab. The Saab I had to take to small claims and I eventually got my money back. Now this car I've had for 8 months is little more than scrap. I will never again buy from a dealer, I've had far better cars buying blind on eBay.
I think you mean a trader, rather than a main dealer?

You are right though, buying at this end of the market, you might as well buy privately in most cases and inspect thoroughly.