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Rovinghawk said:
This gives you an idea:
"I think we all know what aggressively questioning someone means. Tone of voice, invasion of personal space, phrasing of the question... Let's not pretend there's no such thing."
But which came first, the chicken or the egg? And anyway, no one has condoned overly "aggressive questioning". Sometimes situations call for assertive questioning, there's a difference."I think we all know what aggressively questioning someone means. Tone of voice, invasion of personal space, phrasing of the question... Let's not pretend there's no such thing."
Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Friday 30th January 11:56
Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Friday 30th January 11:57
Eclassy said:
Why wont people learn that you are under no obligation to engage in a conversation with these people? Givr them the basics i.e. name, dob and address, ignore every other question and remember to film them.
Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their f
king business?!
Because in this country we have Policing by consent. The Police are there by virtue of the fact that the people want them there to uphold the law. Given that we want the Police to do a job then it is in our best interests to support them as far as possible in doing so. Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their f
king business?!Your view sounds more like that of someone who considers the Police to be working on behalf of the government to impose laws that we don't want. Therefore we should only do the minimum necessary.
Perhaps if you hold views like this you'd be better off in North Korea?
The only encounter I've had with the police on the roads was about a week after I got my CBT and had a 125cc scooter (which did look like a fifty, but went a lot quicker)
It was brand new and I was bedding the engine in, not over revving it, and not using full throttle. Me and a friend were out (on our own bikes) and we got told to follow a policeman on a bike to car park where they had rolling road and there were half a dozen other bikers.
We both got asked about our bikes and whether they were limited to 30mph which I openly said mine isn't. Their eyes lit up and the officer who I was talking to said right, get it on the dyno see what top speed it can do. I said woah, hang on I've only just got it and It's being bed in gently, I don't want you ragging the nuts off it anyway. He simply said tough and asked for my license, it wasn't until my friend said well yours (my bike) is a 125, you don't need to test it as I was 17 they still tried to test it and I firmly said that as it's a 125 it doesn't need to be limited, therefore they need to take it off of the dyno thing.
His attitude stunk the whole way through, and left a rather sour after taste RE police as it came across he was trying to do me over on anything he could.
It was brand new and I was bedding the engine in, not over revving it, and not using full throttle. Me and a friend were out (on our own bikes) and we got told to follow a policeman on a bike to car park where they had rolling road and there were half a dozen other bikers.
We both got asked about our bikes and whether they were limited to 30mph which I openly said mine isn't. Their eyes lit up and the officer who I was talking to said right, get it on the dyno see what top speed it can do. I said woah, hang on I've only just got it and It's being bed in gently, I don't want you ragging the nuts off it anyway. He simply said tough and asked for my license, it wasn't until my friend said well yours (my bike) is a 125, you don't need to test it as I was 17 they still tried to test it and I firmly said that as it's a 125 it doesn't need to be limited, therefore they need to take it off of the dyno thing.
His attitude stunk the whole way through, and left a rather sour after taste RE police as it came across he was trying to do me over on anything he could.
My views are that one is not obliged to engage in a conversatiom with revenue collectors in a fancy uniform who for no valid reason stop someone going about their lawful business and come up with stupid reasons like "its 1:30am" and ask dumb questions like "who did you drop off"
The law says one has the right to remain silent. If you dont like this, you better get parliament to change this or better still, move to Raqqa where you'll find a lot of people hold the same dictatorial and police state views as yourself.
Moron!
The law says one has the right to remain silent. If you dont like this, you better get parliament to change this or better still, move to Raqqa where you'll find a lot of people hold the same dictatorial and police state views as yourself.
Moron!
Eclassy said:
My views are that one is not obliged to engage in a conversatiom with revenue collectors in a fancy uniform who for no valid reason stop someone going about their lawful business and come up with stupid reasons like "its 1:30am" and ask dumb questions like "who did you drop off"
The law says one has the right to remain silent. If you dont like this, you better get parliament to change this or better still, move to Raqqa where you'll find a lot of people hold the same dictatorial and police state views as yourself.
Moron!
I hold dictatorial and police state views?The law says one has the right to remain silent. If you dont like this, you better get parliament to change this or better still, move to Raqqa where you'll find a lot of people hold the same dictatorial and police state views as yourself.
Moron!
Really?
Is someone else using the family brain cell today?
Eclassy said:
My views are that one is not obliged to engage in a conversatiom with revenue collectors in a fancy uniform who for no valid reason stop someone going about their lawful business and come up with stupid reasons like "its 1:30am" and ask dumb questions like "who did you drop off"
The law says one has the right to remain silent. If you dont like this, you better get parliament to change this or better still, move to Raqqa where you'll find a lot of people hold the same dictatorial and police state views as yourself.
Moron!
Would that be the same revenue collectors in fancy uniforms that you went crying to when someone tapped on your window? Or when some tenant does something equally benign? You were all for them asking the other guy dumb questions then, weren't you?!The law says one has the right to remain silent. If you dont like this, you better get parliament to change this or better still, move to Raqqa where you'll find a lot of people hold the same dictatorial and police state views as yourself.
Moron!
Believe it or not, baddies (ones who go round dealing drugs and burgling houses, not the ones who knock on car windows) often work under the cover of darkness. They often drop off accomplices or "customers" in the wee hours, and without asking dumb questions, its hard for the revenue collectors in fancy uniforms to work out who's a goodie, and who's a baddie.
You can't have it both ways Eclassy.
Devil2575 said:
Eclassy said:
Why wont people learn that you are under no obligation to engage in a conversation with these people? Givr them the basics i.e. name, dob and address, ignore every other question and remember to film them.
Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their fking business?!
Because in this country we have Policing by consent. The Police are there by virtue of the fact that the people want them there to uphold the law. Given that we want the Police to do a job then it is in our best interests to support them as far as possible in doing so. Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their f
king business?!Your view sounds more like that of someone who considers the Police to be working on behalf of the government to impose laws that we don't want. Therefore we should only do the minimum necessary.
Perhaps if you hold views like this you'd be better off in North Korea?
Bigends said:
Devil2575 said:
Eclassy said:
Why wont people learn that you are under no obligation to engage in a conversation with these people? Givr them the basics i.e. name, dob and address, ignore every other question and remember to film them.
Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their fking business?!
Because in this country we have Policing by consent. The Police are there by virtue of the fact that the people want them there to uphold the law. Given that we want the Police to do a job then it is in our best interests to support them as far as possible in doing so. Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their f
king business?!Your view sounds more like that of someone who considers the Police to be working on behalf of the government to impose laws that we don't want. Therefore we should only do the minimum necessary.
Perhaps if you hold views like this you'd be better off in North Korea?
I gladly pay taxes in order to pay for a Police service to uphold the law. To not be as helpful as possible makes no sense.
But that's because I want to live in a Police state...obviously
Devil2575 said:
I'm sure he thinks he is right.
I gladly pay taxes in order to pay for a Police service to uphold the law. To not be as helpful as possible makes no sense.
But that's because I want to live in a Police state...obviously
When the police raided my house destroying my front door in the process and stealing my money I believed I had to be helpful. I gladly pay taxes in order to pay for a Police service to uphold the law. To not be as helpful as possible makes no sense.
But that's because I want to live in a Police state...obviously
I went to the police station same evening and since all the DCs did 9-5 I had to return the next morning.
Do you know what being helpful resulted in? 8 hours in custody, no chance of ever visiting the US without a visa and 10 years of my life it took to get my details off the PNC.
All because the police couldnt read/spell.
Bigends said:
Devil2575 said:
Eclassy said:
Why wont people learn that you are under no obligation to engage in a conversation with these people? Givr them the basics i.e. name, dob and address, ignore every other question and remember to film them.
Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their fking business?!
Because in this country we have Policing by consent. The Police are there by virtue of the fact that the people want them there to uphold the law. Given that we want the Police to do a job then it is in our best interests to support them as far as possible in doing so. Why the hell should anyone tell the police who they just dropped off. It is none of their f
king business?!Your view sounds more like that of someone who considers the Police to be working on behalf of the government to impose laws that we don't want. Therefore we should only do the minimum necessary.
Perhaps if you hold views like this you'd be better off in North Korea?
Be polite to people,
Help People when you can,
Hold doors open for people following you,
Move aside when people with pushchairs are coming towards you,
Say thank you to people,
donate to charities,
etc,etc
In a civilised society people just do.
pinchmeimdreamin said:
He is, However you also under no obligation to:
Be polite to people,
Help People when you can,
Hold doors open for people following you,
Move aside when people with pushchairs are coming towards you,
Say thank you to people,
donate to charities,
etc,etc
In a civilised society people just do.
Correction...Be polite to people,
Help People when you can,
Hold doors open for people following you,
Move aside when people with pushchairs are coming towards you,
Say thank you to people,
donate to charities,
etc,etc
In a civilised society people just do.
In society, civilised people just do it
Not sure some on here will understand
northwest monkey said:
Personally, in 20 odd years of having a license, whenever I've had dealings with the Police I've found being polite and civil works for me and tends to get me on my way a lot faster.
Exactly this. It's worked well for me over the years, and indeed has avoided me one or two bookings. By that I mean, I have had at least two occasions when I have been shown irrefutable evidence of speeding, on both a gun and in-car vascar, which I also knew very well that I was doing...but by being polite and extremely co-operative, whilst showing remorse and apologising, have been told that 'this time' I won't be reported, because I seemed to have learned a lesson.
Then I have also had a pull from an off-duty copper too. It was quite a strange one, it was gone 1am and along a rural road in the countryside. I was having a night-time blat in my 911, and I came across a Transit, at the point where the National Speed limit road entered a village with a 30mph limit. As it was a long, straight, well-sighted road through the village, and given the time of night, I took the (with hindsight inappropriate) decision to blat past the Transit and accelerate away up to 40-odd plus.
Immediately, the Transit started flashing main beams at me continuously, and also accelerated to catch me up. He got closer, admittedly not tailgating, but the flashing carried on and on....it got to the point where I decided to pull to the side, thinking he would drive past.
He didn't - he stopped behind and got out - and as I looked in the wing mirror, I could see that as the chap walked up from behind, in civvy clothes, he was also holding out in front of him an open Police warrant card
I have to say, if he hadn't held out the card, I would have been off! He came to my window, which I would down very slightly, and held the warrant card against the glass, whilst calmly explaining that he was an off-duty copper and that he would like a word.
I probably took a bit of a risk here, but I decided to get out of the car and face him. I was interested to see what he thought he was going to do! I asked to see his warrant card again, and asked for his name, number and station - which he gave me promptly enough for me to think that he was genuine. The card certainly looked genuine enough too. He then also pulled out his driving licence and gave that to me to show that it matched the credentials on the warrant card!
All a bit surreal. Anyway, he obviously had a moan about my driving into the 30mph limit. I wasn't sure on his position at the time as to whether I could be reported or not, so I did my usual contrite and respectful thing, listened carefully, and admitted that I was at fault and that I made a poor decision.
And again, once I had been shown to not be a contrary idiot, he softened quite a bit, and then conceded that it was probably difficult to behave in the car I was driving, and to just be careful. Then we went our separate ways. Funny old life!
Eclassy said:
When the police raided my house destroying my front door in the process and stealing my money I believed I had to be helpful.
I went to the police station same evening and since all the DCs did 9-5 I had to return the next morning.
Do you know what being helpful resulted in? 8 hours in custody, no chance of ever visiting the US without a visa and 10 years of my life it took to get my details off the PNC.
All because the police couldnt read/spell.
Assuming that all happened as you say, do you think not being helpful because of it is beneficial to you in any way?I went to the police station same evening and since all the DCs did 9-5 I had to return the next morning.
Do you know what being helpful resulted in? 8 hours in custody, no chance of ever visiting the US without a visa and 10 years of my life it took to get my details off the PNC.
All because the police couldnt read/spell.
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