What to do when you've got better data?
Discussion
Jayyylo said:
In the case of being caught speeding again would they bring this up again to show a history of excessive speed?
You cannot be prosecuted for a history of excessive speed. Just because you have sped before doesn't mean you were speeding at that time in that place. Previous observations cannot be used to influence a prosecution etc.speedking31 said:
Jayyylo said:
In the case of being caught speeding again would they bring this up again to show a history of excessive speed?
You cannot be prosecuted for a history of excessive speed. Just because you have sped before doesn't mean you were speeding at that time in that place. Previous observations cannot be used to influence a prosecution etc.If you denied speeding at another time and it went to trial, this might (subject to a number of limitations) be used as evidence of 'bad character'. A very unlikely scenario, I would have thought, but I can't see any reason why it couldn't be used in any circumstances.
andycaca said:
something to do with keeping old F1 cars alive and running i think, based on previous posts in the F1 forum (and my dodgy memory) 
That's one part of the business, the other is that we use the same technology, skill set, procedures and experience to assist OEM manufacturers with development of new products, road cars, race cars etc. Essentially if you have enough people and kit of sufficent quality and ability to run a few year old F1 car you're quite useful for many other motorsport/performance road car things as well. Hence we get involved in a lot of proto/dev/test stuff.poppopbangbang said:
That's one part of the business, the other is that we use the same technology, skill set, procedures and experience to assist OEM manufacturers with development of new products, road cars, race cars etc. Essentially if you have enough people and kit of sufficent quality and ability to run a few year old F1 car you're quite useful for many other motorsport/performance road car things as well. Hence we get involved in a lot of proto/dev/test stuff.
Any chance of a job?Phatboy317 said:
poppopbangbang said:
That's one part of the business, the other is that we use the same technology, skill set, procedures and experience to assist OEM manufacturers with development of new products, road cars, race cars etc. Essentially if you have enough people and kit of sufficent quality and ability to run a few year old F1 car you're quite useful for many other motorsport/performance road car things as well. Hence we get involved in a lot of proto/dev/test stuff.
Any chance of a job?Yes please. I just happen to know a retired petrolhead engineer who would love to dabble part-time with something like this...
spoke to my father about this (to my eternal shame he is part of the traffic taliban) he said if the copper that deals with the group has time (i.e. not struggling with paperwork) he / she / it (you never know these days ) should talk to them about it.
he said that we have been warned about malicious reports as one group had a guy in a village that had a beef with a local guy and kept reporting him, so he kept getting letters and got annoyed with the BiB, it came to a head when he was reported and he pointed out as he was in france with his car at the time how had he managed to be there as well. so send the letter just in case someone is trying to cause trouble for you.
i have googled for the story but can't find anything yet.
) should talk to them about it.he said that we have been warned about malicious reports as one group had a guy in a village that had a beef with a local guy and kept reporting him, so he kept getting letters and got annoyed with the BiB, it came to a head when he was reported and he pointed out as he was in france with his car at the time how had he managed to be there as well. so send the letter just in case someone is trying to cause trouble for you.
i have googled for the story but can't find anything yet.
poppopbangbang said:
I've just had a letter through from the local police informing me that one of our cars has been recorded by a civilian volunteer speed awareness group
What do you mean 'civilian'?We have a 'civilian' police service.
The police are all 'civilians',
You need to be serving in the armed forces in order not to be a 'civilian'.
Could you scan the relevant section of the letter and post it on here?
Chimune said:
Don't tell them you have this data yet !
get them to dig themselves deeper first with questions about technique, calibration, training etc.
This - Otherwise it will beget them to dig themselves deeper first with questions about technique, calibration, training etc.
"On further investigation we discovered that the operator had missed a recent refresher training course. Therefore the reading is invalid. On this occasion we will overlook it"
or similar
Type R Tom said:
I use a speed gun from time to time, they are pretty idiot proof. They need calibrating from occasionally but we check ours with a tuning fork every time so we know it’s accurate. Chances are they with miss read / transposed numbers or were picking up a different vehicle. Either way it’s a bit of a cock up!
Doubt you’ll get anywhere, I doubt the person who “caught” you will remember but will be interesting to see the police response.
Can also depend on what gun they've got. I'm quite a bit out of date (retired over 10 years ago & kit wasn't given to civvies) but used Muniquip KGP & Pro-laser a lot in the job. The laser was just about idiot proof, but Muniquip wasn't. If there were two vehicles close to each other it was not really possible to be absolutely sure which one it was seeing & should be ignored.Doubt you’ll get anywhere, I doubt the person who “caught” you will remember but will be interesting to see the police response.
Edited by paintman on Wednesday 21st January 17:59
This is an occasion to show some class. I wouldn’t pick a fight with them or go playing games to draw them out.
Just respectfully show them the facts, and let the data do the talking. It doesn’t matter what the response is. You’ll have made your point, and I suspect the professionals will ‘feed back’ to the amateurs regarding their speed vigilance.
Just respectfully show them the facts, and let the data do the talking. It doesn’t matter what the response is. You’ll have made your point, and I suspect the professionals will ‘feed back’ to the amateurs regarding their speed vigilance.
OpulentBob said:
Sounds like it's not a BiB failing, but those f
king Community Speedwatch fking geriatric fking s who are waiting for death and trying to ps off as many people as possible before they cark it. "Ooh he's going too fast Mavis, we can't have that, cars in my day were slower, dribble fart stroke"
Yes I got a knock on the door from Plod after giving the aforementioned geriatric mofos a piece of my mind one day, after I found them parked on DYLs about 5m from a junction, using the gun while sitting in the car. Lazy fking geriatric old s.
So, in summary, you're in favour of the Community Speedwatch initiative king Community Speedwatch fking geriatric fking s who are waiting for death and trying to ps off as many people as possible before they cark it. "Ooh he's going too fast Mavis, we can't have that, cars in my day were slower, dribble fart stroke"Yes I got a knock on the door from Plod after giving the aforementioned geriatric mofos a piece of my mind one day, after I found them parked on DYLs about 5m from a junction, using the gun while sitting in the car. Lazy f
king geriatric old s. 
That was a better rant than some of the stuff people post as a rant!
V8forweekends said:
So, in summary, you're in favour of the Community Speedwatch initiative
That was a better rant than some of the stuff people post as a rant!
Make sure you say what you mean Bob!!! I'm 100% with you here despite being in my 70's now. They really are a bunch of ****s. That was a better rant than some of the stuff people post as a rant!
I had a PCSO come round after my wife was recorded at 36 in my car, I was recorded at 37 and then I was recorded 9 months later at 35. I sent him away with a flea in his ear as he had no idea what he was talking about, couldn't confirm the calibration records and couldn't tell me what percentage of RTC's involved vehicles exceeding the posted limits. He said it was over 30%.
if it was a copper with a speed gun, they'd probably still dismiss it and convict you anyway.
You could have all the data under the sun, and it be signed off as authentic by the head of BMW, the chief of police and the pope, they'd still refuse to acknowledge in court that speed guns can misread
You could have all the data under the sun, and it be signed off as authentic by the head of BMW, the chief of police and the pope, they'd still refuse to acknowledge in court that speed guns can misread
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