Police officer DD,automatic prison time?

[Corpulent Tosser]

supermono said:

The penalties should be the same as Joe public for dd, speeding or any other dangerous practice,

Agreed.

supermono said:

however the mandatory loss of job is worse than prison.

not sure about this and wouldn't loss of job follow a prison sentence anyway ?

supermono said:

The hypocrisy of a policeman breaking a law they are employed to enforce needs to be punished severely and loss of job is appropriate.

Aren't you contradicting yourself, you said "The penalties should be the same as Joe public for dd, speeding or any other dangerous practice".
Job loss for DD and serious offences yes, but not for any and all offences.

[Bigends]

Wasnt always mandatory sacking offence. Worked with a few who were arrested and disqualified but not sacked. As long as they didnt complicate matters by lying, making off from accident scenes etc. Foot patrol for a year then back driving. Not sure thats the case now.

[supermono]

No contradiction, Joe Public isn't a policeman so can't be sacked from being a policeman, although many have lost their jobs through having their licence withdrawn, so the police definitely support the notion.

Watch the police on the telly stating categorically speeding/dd is dangerous and driving without insurance etc etc are all crimes against humanity. I don't want perpetrators of such crimes being trusted to detect such crimes.

I'm unclear how things currently stand, perhaps some of the resident police can clarify the process by which they are sacked when caught doing 36mph in a 30.

[supermono]

Corpulent Tosser said:

Job loss for DD and serious offences yes, but not for any and all offences.

Speeding is serious, we have vans deployed and police stationed on sliproads measuring speed to make sure it's prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. Peole lose their job, marriage, the roofs over their heads for speeding (e.g. 36 in a 30). If they're picked up 9 points by non speeding offences, one single 36 in a 30 will do. That's how seriously it's taken.

(eta Police also confirm Speeding: there's no excuse)

Edited by supermono on Saturday 24th January 12:26

[Bigends]

supermono said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Job loss for DD and serious offences yes, but not for any and all offences.

Speeding is serious, we have vans deployed and police stationed on sliproads measuring speed to make sure it's prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. Peole lose their job, marriage, the roofs over their heads for speeding (e.g. 36 in a 30). If they're picked up 9 points by non speeding offences, one single 36 in a 30 will do. That's how seriously it's taken.

They wouldnt get the sack for a totting up ban. The job would take a dim view of it but thats about all - requirement to drive isnt a necessity. I still know one that doesnt drive- doesnt have a licence

[Nigel Worc's]

Police officers certainly do lose their job if caught, my bil was a CID officer in West Mercia, he lost his job after many years service.

I did feel sorry for him as he was (and still is) a bloody decent chap.

What happened to him isn't actually any different from what would happen to myself or many of us who require our licences for work.

I suppose the big difference is a lot of older Police Constables have done nothing else, so don't have a skill set to fall back upon that is of much use in "civvy street" (I know Constables are civilians, but you'll all get what I mean).

If I were caught & banned, I'd still be an electronic engineer (albeit a non driving one for a while), and once the ban was up I could even return to what I'm doing now, my bil lost his career for ever.

He didn't (quite rightly in my opinion) get sent to prison.

[liner33]

I guess that should surprise me but I knew people who were kicked out of the military for losing their licence to DD , shocked a police officer could keep their but they have better unions

[supermono]

Bigends said:

They wouldnt get the sack for a totting up ban. The job would take a dim view of it but thats about all - requirement to drive isnt a necessity. I still know one that doesnt drive- doesnt have a licence

Hmmm, so it's possible that one charging me 60 quid a few years back because my speedo was showing 63 mph instead of 50 mph might well have previously also been found guilty of driving in a manner likely to cause him to get home earlier or DD?

Edited by supermono on Saturday 24th January 12:41

[Nigel Worc's]

liner33 said:

I guess that should surprise me but I knew people who were kicked out of the military for losing their licence to DD , shocked a police officer could keep their but they have better unions

I never came across that in the military, but your service may be more recent than mine, you really did get done twice in the military, if done, but during my time you stood a far greater chance of being let go if you were serving in the military, as a lot of coppers were ex at that time.

[anonymous-user]

SkinnyPete said:

It really is that simple, and of course any police officer who drink drives is unlikely to declare any convictions.

Of course it is...

How do you dodge your PNC record? Will the same police officer have a comprehensive fake ID-selection? Will they have pretend fingers at the ready for when their finger-prints are taken, which are (taken as a matter of course when joining) on the national electronic database?

Do you think there may be one or two processes on those electronic systems to flag things?

[allergictocheese]

La Liga said:

f course it is...

How do you dodge your PNC record? Will the same police officer have a comprehensive fake ID-selection? Will they have pretend fingers at the ready for when their finger-prints are taken, which are (taken as a matter of course when joining) on the national electronic database?

Do you think there may be one or two processes on those electronic systems to flag things?

Not to mention if they're in their home area, they're likely to know or know of the officers who caught them.

[ED209]

liner33 said:

I guess that should surprise me but I knew people who were kicked out of the military for losing their licence to DD , shocked a police officer could keep their but they have better unions

Jesus a lot of tripe is talked on here.

The police don't have union or unions at all, in fact police officers are forbidden in law from joining a union.

i am surprised that people are kicked out of the military for a drink driving conviction only. I know of many, many squaddies with more than one conviction for more than one criminal offence. They are still serving soldiers.

In fact I was at court a few weeks ago with a squaddie who had half a dozen previous convictions, he got another couple that day for drunk and disorderly and obstructing a police officer. His commanding officer was at court with him, I had a chat with him. There was no suggestion he was to be kicked out of the military.

A police officer would be sacked without a doubt just for those two convictions.

[Osinjak]

ED209 said:

So you can tell the officer stopping you that you are the devil himself if you like it docent change the fact that if you are a police officer and you get convicted you will loose your job.

You might lose your job but you certainly won't loose it.

[ED209]

SkinnyPete said:

Also, there is genuine divide between police and traffic especially in a city where actual policing does go on.

Is there? I have never seen one and i would imagine i have a lot more policing experience than yourself.

[14-7]

supermono said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Job loss for DD and serious offences yes, but not for any and all offences.

Speeding is serious, we have vans deployed and police stationed on sliproads measuring speed to make sure it's prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. Peole lose their job, marriage, the roofs over their heads for speeding (e.g. 36 in a 30). If they're picked up 9 points by non speeding offences, one single 36 in a 30 will do. That's how seriously it's taken.

(eta Police also confirm Speeding: there's no excuse)

Edited by supermono on Saturday 24th January 12:26

Seriously? Speeding is prosecuted to the fullest extent possible? My god, remove your tin foil hat.

Yes people lose their jobs for speeding but if you have picked up 9 points already you should be more aware of what is likely to get you 3 more. The person in your example has lost their licence through totting up, that's how seriously it is taken. It could have easily been a tyre offence, a red light, insecure load etc.

[Nigel Worc's]

ED209 said:

SkinnyPete said:

Also, there is genuine divide between police and traffic especially in a city where actual policing does go on.

Is there? I have never seen one and i would imagine i have a lot more policing experience than yourself.

There was considered, by regular officers, to be a divide when I served as a special.

That may no longer be the case, as traffic as such has gone, it is now roads policing, and the roads policing boys spend far more time working with their non roads policing counterparts now.

[ED209]

Nigel Worc's said:

ED209 said:

SkinnyPete said:

Also, there is genuine divide between police and traffic especially in a city where actual policing does go on.

Is there? I have never seen one and i would imagine i have a lot more policing experience than yourself.

There was considered, by regular officers, to be a divide when I served as a special.

That may no longer be the case, as traffic as such has gone, it is now roads policing, and the roads policing boys spend far more time working with their non roads policing counterparts now.

Well traffic and roads policing are the same thing, exactly the same thing in fact with a different name.

I have never experienced any divide, any change of working relationship or change of attitude in the last 18 years despite "traffic" having had several name changes in that time.

[Nigel Worc's]

ED209 said:

Well traffic and roads policing are the same thing, exactly the same thing in fact with a different name.

I have never experienced any divide, any change of working relationship or change of attitude in the last 18 years despite "traffic" having had several name changes in that time.

I'd suggest they are very different, I didn't see many traffic boys sully themselves by turning up to help out at pub fights etc !

[LoonR1]

Greendubber said:

Why does it? The police service represents the society they Police so when you take that into account there will be officers with points.

My O/H got 3 points a couple of years ago, 54 in a 50. Held her hands up, took the points and informed work....no issues at all.

I know a few that have been on speed awareness courses and they weren't the only old bill there.

I'm amazed how everyone (or their close family) who has points on PH got it for a smidge over the speed limit

[Mk3Spitfire]

We (response) always give them (traffic) a ribbing for being lazy, but in truth, they end up assisting us with a lot of non "traffic" calls. They're taser equipped, so useful in taser jobs. In turn, we often attend or assist with RTC's or traffic stuff.

Re above. People don't lose their license for speeding and doing 36 in a 30. People lose their license for showing a continuous disregard for the law. That's why you can have 12 (or as I have seen, up to 21) points on a licence. People make mistakes, but making 4 mistakes in as many years indicates there might be more of an issue.