Police officer DD,automatic prison time?

[liner33]

allergictocheese said:

Even an enhanced DBS doesn't automatically have all the info from PNC.

It has all the info school governors need

[allergictocheese]

liner33 said:

It has all the info school governors need

Legally, yes. However the PNC might hold information on a person that is not present on a DBS check that a misguided governor may feel entitled to search for. In the frame of a conversation over the risks of people with access to PNC being school governors, it is a valid topic to consider.

Personally I think there is no reason to think barring Police officers from being school governors is a good idea.

[Derek Smith]

allergictocheese said:

Personally I think there is no reason to think barring Police officers from being school governors is a good idea.

Unless expressly stated, the only reason a CC, or a PCC I assume nowadays, can refuse permission for a serving officer to hold a position is that doing so would limit his or her ability to discharge their function impartially or that it would give rise in the opinion of the public that it might do so.

(I would point out that a number of CCs were unaware of this limitation to the restrictions on the private life of their officers, assuming it was total and unlimited.)

I've been told that the role of governor was (in part) refused because it required the person seeking the position to campaign for votes. This, it would appear, made the CC feel that it was incompatible with the role of PC. Those who voted against him or her in particular might feel it was wrong.

I was against the restriction when I first heard of it, some years ago now. Given that I now know more details, I can see the grounds for the argument.

It is not so much the role itself as the method of gaining it that was the problem.

Many police officers perform voluntary roles. There used to be a number of serving officers who assisted football and rugby clubs with coaching. I assume there has never been any problems with that.

[Greendubber]

Derek Smith said:

Unfortunately, they can't. It is now an offence for a police officer to be a whistleblower.

Are we expecting the people behind the Met Fed video and the Essex one to be unemployed soon then?

2 forces out of all of them, that expensive HQ we all paid for should be putting a video into the media, not whistle blowing but just telling the truth about numbers and cuts.

[singlecoil]

Rovinghawk said:

There were these 3 Fed reps who got caught lying. It was quite well publicised; I'm surprised you never heard about it.

Well, you can't be referring to the Plebgate affair because those reps were found to be telling the truth, as Mitchell did not give a full account of the events at the gate on the night in question.

[anonymous-user]

Mitchell, for all but the expensive part, played politics better than the three. Fortunately, our collective pockets were enough to match his and hold him to account for his lies.

I expect, in general terms, the Fed giving one message is more credible than politicians giving another.

[Greendubber]

singlecoil said:

Well, you can't be referring to the Plebgate affair because those reps were found to be telling the truth, as Mitchell did not give a full account of the events at the gate on the night in question.

Sssshhhhhhhhh, does not suit agenda.

[Rovinghawk]

singlecoil said:

Well, you can't be referring to the Plebgate affair because those reps were found to be telling the truth, .

They were proven to have lied to Parliament. If they can do that, I figure they can tell fibs elsewhere. As I said, credibility issues.

[longblackcoat]

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LoonR1 said:

Greendubber said:

Why does it? The police service represents the society they Police so when you take that into account there will be officers with points.

My O/H got 3 points a couple of years ago, 54 in a 50. Held her hands up, took the points and informed work....no issues at all.

I know a few that have been on speed awareness courses and they weren't the only old bill there.

I'm amazed how everyone (or their close family) who has points on PH got it for a smidge over the speed limit

Must just be me then - done for 44, 29, 25, 16 and 12 respectively, iirc. I don't know anyone done for less than 10 over, though I'm sure they exist.

[XCP]

Rovinghawk said:

They were proven to have lied to Parliament. If they can do that, I figure they can tell fibs elsewhere. As I said, credibility issues.

as a slight aside, I wonder if Mitchell has paid up yet.

[carinaman]

Are police officers not allowed to be school governors?

[Bigends]

carinaman said:

Are police officers not allowed to be school governors?

Quick check on the net reveals that plenty of them are

[liner33]

There is no reason a Police Officer cannot be a school governor

I think many misunderstand what governance is about
http://www.nga.org.uk/Be-a-Governor.aspx

[carinaman]

Bigends said:

Quick check on the net reveals that plenty of them are

Thank you. I wasn't sure from the discussion in thread since they were mentioned.

[longblackcoat]

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LoonR1 said:

Greendubber said:

Why does it? The police service represents the society they Police so when you take that into account there will be officers with points.

My O/H got 3 points a couple of years ago, 54 in a 50. Held her hands up, took the points and informed work....no issues at all.

I know a few that have been on speed awareness courses and they weren't the only old bill there.

I'm amazed how everyone (or their close family) who has points on PH got it for a smidge over the speed limit

Must just be me then - done for 44, 29, 25, 16 and 12 respectively, iirc. I don't know anyone done for less than 10 over, though I'm sure they exist.

[longblackcoat]

I

LoonR1 said:

Greendubber said:

Why does it? The police service represents the society they Police so when you take that into account there will be officers with points.

My O/H got 3 points a couple of years ago, 54 in a 50. Held her hands up, took the points and informed work....no issues at all.

I know a few that have been on speed awareness courses and they weren't the only old bill there.

I'm amazed how everyone (or their close family) who has points on PH got it for a smidge over the speed limit

Must just be me then - done for 44, 29, 25, 16 and 12 respectively, iirc. I don't know anyone done for less than 10 over, though I'm sure they exist.

[carinaman]

Reading of this case made me think about the issue of whether police officers should be school governors. Couldn't similar conflicts of interest arise?:

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Police-officer...

I think it would have made more sense if she'd told a police colleague about the situation and got a police colleague to liaise with the parents of the groped 14 year old. It would have made that whole mess slightly less messy.

[Bigends]

carinaman said:

Reading of this case made me think about the issue of whether police officers should be school governors. Couldn't similar conflicts of interest arise?:

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Police-officer...

I think it would have made more sense if she'd told a police colleague about the situation and got a police colleague to liaise with the parents of the groped 14 year old. It would have made that whole mess slightly less messy.

Dont see where the conflict of interest would be when I was a Governor -if anything untoward had happened at my school it would have been rung in as normal by staff and not reported through me.