Fine for a dirty number plate?
Discussion
LucreLout said:
don'tbesilly said:
Like quite a few stories on here it doesn't/didn't happen, but people like to cast themselves in a different light to there real persona's, and sets them apart as being quite 'special'.
Yes, special is one of the words I'd use to describe you.Which part is it you're pretending didn't happen?
The part where my friend is hit by the car, that you weren't there for?
The part where he died in hospital, that you weren't there for?
The funeral that you didn't attend?
Or the cleaning up the odd number plate where its obvious from the 3/4s of the car that are shinny, what the d
head driving it is trying to do? I realise you probably spent months or years building up the dirt, but why is it so hard to believe someone would spare a few seconds fixing it for you?
If I'm supposed to be frightened of your reaction you'll need to be clearer, it's not sinking in. You're Nigel from accounts remember, not Jason Bourne. The worst you'll do is swear a bit and get shouty; you know it, I know it.
All some of us are trying to point out is that you are putting yourself at risk by doing it (in addition to it being a generally t
t-like thing to do). People have been killed or seriously injured for less.You crack on if your claims are true and I for one will be highly amused if I ever read of your demise. You won't be able to say (assuming you can still speak) you weren't warned.
9mm said:
Why is it any less credible that someone would smack you for cleaning their plate than that you actually carry out the cleaning or that your friend died?
Well, unless you are Jason Bourne, starting fights means losing fights. It's just not proportionate. Comically disproportionate in fact.Devil2575 said:
don'tbesilly said:
You called.
I can't comment on the legalities of touching a car belonging to another, although I think P1esk is suggesting that touching would involve a tad more than just walking past and brushing the car inadvertently, or accidentally banging ones door against another vehicle.
As for cleaning a number plate on another owners car without permission, well only a total plank would do such a thing, to go onto admit such a thing on a public forum beggars belief, frankly.
Like quite a few stories on here it doesn't/didn't happen, but people like to cast themselves in a different light to there real persona's, and sets them apart as being quite 'special'.
What about knowingly squeezing past a car blocking the path? So not inadvertent.I can't comment on the legalities of touching a car belonging to another, although I think P1esk is suggesting that touching would involve a tad more than just walking past and brushing the car inadvertently, or accidentally banging ones door against another vehicle.
As for cleaning a number plate on another owners car without permission, well only a total plank would do such a thing, to go onto admit such a thing on a public forum beggars belief, frankly.
Like quite a few stories on here it doesn't/didn't happen, but people like to cast themselves in a different light to there real persona's, and sets them apart as being quite 'special'.
I'm simply seeking to clarify whether touching a car as opposed to damaging it is against the law.
Wiping the plate could be criminal damage if physical damage could be ascertained otherwise it would probably fall into the same tricky area as letting tyres down.
However, that one will get you a punch on the nose as well, despite not causing any damage if detected quickly.
LucreLout said:
9mm said:
Why is it any less credible that someone would smack you for cleaning their plate than that you actually carry out the cleaning or that your friend died?
Well, unless you are Jason Bourne, starting fights means losing fights. It's just not proportionate. Comically disproportionate in fact.LucreLout said:
don'tbesilly said:
Like quite a few stories on here it doesn't/didn't happen, but people like to cast themselves in a different light to there real persona's, and sets them apart as being quite 'special'.
Yes, special is one of the words I'd use to describe you.Which part is it you're pretending didn't happen?
The part where my friend is hit by the car, that you weren't there for?
The part where he died in hospital, that you weren't there for?
The funeral that you didn't attend?
Or the cleaning up the odd number plate where its obvious from the 3/4s of the car that are shinny, what the d
head driving it is trying to do? I realise you probably spent months or years building up the dirt, but why is it so hard to believe someone would spare a few seconds fixing it for you?
If I'm supposed to be frightened of your reaction you'll need to be clearer, it's not sinking in. You're Nigel from accounts remember, not Jason Bourne. The worst you'll do is swear a bit and get shouty; you know it, I know it.
By your own admission the witness saw a car with a blacked out/dirty number plate which was indistinguishable, so the driver of the car was never apprehended and justice duly served.
What I don't believe is your tale that the driver of the car that was responsible for causing the death of your friend, made a point of driving around in his car with dirty plates to avoid being detained by the BIB for any type of offences/ or caught by speed cameras etc, to assume as much without any form of evidence is stretching things a tad too far.
What is also unbelievable is the notion that as a result of the above, you have taken it upon yourself to become some kind of vigilante to ensure that anyone who has a dirty plate has it valeted by yourself.
You are the Charles Bronson of the motoring world, you don't kill the wrong doers, you clean their number plates!
For the record my car is cleaned quite regularly, no effort on my part as it's cleaned by the Guys in my local Tesco, the expense claimed on my monthly expense form, ironically on a spreadsheet (the only one I do!).
I'm not an accountant either, but if that's what you like to think, who am I to rock the boat, knock yourself out for the second time today.
By the way..........it's shiny, not shinny.
Oh, and jog on, there's a good Fella.
LucreLout said:
9mm said:
Oh, so you are Jason Bourne?
No, not at all. It's why I don't go around starting fights. And nor do 99.9% of other people. It's why I don't worry about this risk you perceive.When you talk about disproportionate you are right but people that hit people like you are by nature disproportionate. They have a filter missing. It's no good complaining from a hospital bed that what they did was disproportionate. Like those drivers that feel the need to admonish others, you put yourself at risk unnecessarily.
As I said, if you perceive the risk to be low, just crack on.
don'tbesilly said:
What I don't believe is your tale that the driver of the car that was responsible for causing the death of your friend, made a point of driving around in his car with dirty plates to avoid being detained by the BIB for any type of offences/ or caught by speed cameras etc, to assume as much without any form of evidence is stretching things a tad too far.
I never said they did. I said you obscure your plates because of the automated detection such as speed cameras.I suspect they were drunk. There's no evidence either way. But leaving someone to die slowly in a ditch with much pain and suffering because they didn't want to wait for an ambulance... Well, they weren't fleeing because they had nothing to hide.
don'tbesilly said:
What is also unbelievable is the notion that as a result of the above, you have taken it upon yourself to become some kind of vigilante to ensure that anyone who has a dirty plate has it valeted
by yourself.
It's not like I go out looking for these jokers. I just don't walk past when encountering them in car parks.by yourself.
You seem to place a high value on the dirty plate, which is why you're struggling with someone removing the dirt. I place no value on it, so it's nothing to me.
don'tbesilly said:
You are the Charles Bronson of the motoring world, you don't kill the wrong doers, you clean their number plates!
Only snag in your fantasy is that I fight like Brandson, not Bronson.don'tbesilly said:
I'm not an accountant either,
Sure you are. In every way that's relevant to this thread.
Well I have to say I don't share LL's view on this. I don't think anybody should take it upon themselves to interfere with a vehicle, or any other property, belonging to somebody else, and certainly not for the reason being discussed here.
We all know it is an offence to have unreadable number plates, and FWIW I have never let mine get to the stage of being that dirty. Having said that, if they were ever to get so dirty that a speed camera was unable to read them, I wouldn't be too dismayed
but they wouldn't stay like that for long, because I try to keep my car reasonably clean most of the time, including the number plates. I'll just have to resort to other means of avoiding getting nicked for speeding, but total compliance with speed limits, by which I mean the NSL particularly, ain't one of them. 
We all know it is an offence to have unreadable number plates, and FWIW I have never let mine get to the stage of being that dirty. Having said that, if they were ever to get so dirty that a speed camera was unable to read them, I wouldn't be too dismayed
but they wouldn't stay like that for long, because I try to keep my car reasonably clean most of the time, including the number plates. I'll just have to resort to other means of avoiding getting nicked for speeding, but total compliance with speed limits, by which I mean the NSL particularly, ain't one of them. I was driving on the motorway on the snowiest day of the year, one of those really muddy days where the back of your car gets dirty within a few miles and I was stopped and fined for having a dirty rear number plate. I said the dirt accumulates there within a few miles (number plate is very low mounted, completely true statement) and it is not safe to stop every few miles on the hard shoulder to clean it but the policeman said tough luck. What really annoyed me is that I was driving safely and some nutters were passing me at 90mph with no lights in a snow storm and they stopped me instead. Didn't even give me the opportunity to clean it as he said it was not safe to do so on the side of the motorway. Not amused!
LucreLout said:
v12Legs said:
Excellent, good work. 
Careful though, as you might have some people accusing you of being a vigilante and telling you that you should leave that to the police and not poke your nose in!
I'm sure my dead buddies parents would be more than accepting of their reasoning. Oh.. Hang on....Careful though, as you might have some people accusing you of being a vigilante and telling you that you should leave that to the police and not poke your nose in!
1. Was the vehicle not identified specifically because it was an overly dirty plate?
2. Had the vehicle been identified, would your buddy still be dead?
V10 SPM said:
I was driving on the motorway on the snowiest day of the year, one of those really muddy days where the back of your car gets dirty within a few miles and I was stopped and fined for having a dirty rear number plate. I said the dirt accumulates there within a few miles (number plate is very low mounted, completely true statement) and it is not safe to stop every few miles on the hard shoulder to clean it but the policeman said tough luck. What really annoyed me is that I was driving safely and some nutters were passing me at 90mph with no lights in a snow storm and they stopped me instead. Didn't even give me the opportunity to clean it as he said it was not safe to do so on the side of the motorway. Not amused!
That's complete rubbish. There are no weather conditions that change your clean plate into an unreadable plate within a few miles.22Rgt said:
LucreLout said:
Having long ago lost a mate to hit and run, I often help these people be identifiable by giving the plate a wipe if I park next to one. The expressions of joy as the owner returns to a filthy car with a shinny legal plate rather give the game away as to what they're up to.
Touching someone elses property is generally a no no. Can see your point ref a dead mate but dont be surprised if you get a kick up the arse, a slap or worse still having your head caved in by an irate knuckle dragger returning owner unseen by yourself.Wipe over a dirty plate with a dry rag or just your hand and will scratch leaving the surface hazy, you really are better off leaving other peoples property alone.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff