Fine for a dirty number plate?
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Vee8man said:
The rear end will always cake up much quicker than anywhere else on the car though ....?
Although the widespread criminalisation of drivers for many and various minor infractions will only lead to this kind of activity (or non-activity in this case).....?
Discuss.....
You seem to have misunderstood my post. Although the widespread criminalisation of drivers for many and various minor infractions will only lead to this kind of activity (or non-activity in this case).....?
Discuss.....
Edited by Vee8man on Thursday 29th January 16:28
I understand the rear end might get some more crud over it from motorway driving, spray, etc, but my point was the owner / driver of the 3 series tourer had deliberately left the rear end that dirty (likely to obscure the plate given the installation of reverse facing speed cameras on the M3) due to the fact the rest of the car was devoid of any visible crud stuck to it and in fact looked like it had been pretty recently cleaned (well everything bar the tailgate of course).
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Thursday 29th January 19:36
AlexRS2782 said:
You seem to have misunderstood my post.
I understand the rear end might get some more crud over it from motorway driving, spray, etc, but my point was the owner / driver of the 3 series tourer had deliberately left the rear end that dirty (likely to obscure the plate given the installation of reverse facing speed cameras on the M3) due to the fact the rest of the car was devoid of any visible crud stuck to it and in fact looked like it had been pretty recently cleaned (well everything bar the tailgate of course).
May I refer the honourable member for Eastleigh back to the first page of this thread?I understand the rear end might get some more crud over it from motorway driving, spray, etc, but my point was the owner / driver of the 3 series tourer had deliberately left the rear end that dirty (likely to obscure the plate given the installation of reverse facing speed cameras on the M3) due to the fact the rest of the car was devoid of any visible crud stuck to it and in fact looked like it had been pretty recently cleaned (well everything bar the tailgate of course).
TooMany2cvs said:
Maximum sentence for perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment, I believe.
One day many moons ago, the early 80s to be precise, whilst on my way to exchange my first car ( a very rapid MK1 3 litre Capri for a total dog of a TR6, at a horse traders in Sth Croydon ( you robbing b....... saw me coming a mile off ) plod go by the other way in their SD1 Rover, they look at me and swing sharply round and tug me. Front number plate is grubby, so plod makes me wipe it there and then, at the side of the road with a rag he finds from somewhere, nicks me for no tax and goes on his merry way 😃
TooMany2cvs said:
AlexRS2782 said:
You seem to have misunderstood my post.
I understand the rear end might get some more crud over it from motorway driving, spray, etc, but my point was the owner / driver of the 3 series tourer had deliberately left the rear end that dirty (likely to obscure the plate given the installation of reverse facing speed cameras on the M3) due to the fact the rest of the car was devoid of any visible crud stuck to it and in fact looked like it had been pretty recently cleaned (well everything bar the tailgate of course).
May I refer the honourable member for Eastleigh back to the first page of this thread?I understand the rear end might get some more crud over it from motorway driving, spray, etc, but my point was the owner / driver of the 3 series tourer had deliberately left the rear end that dirty (likely to obscure the plate given the installation of reverse facing speed cameras on the M3) due to the fact the rest of the car was devoid of any visible crud stuck to it and in fact looked like it had been pretty recently cleaned (well everything bar the tailgate of course).
TooMany2cvs said:
Maximum sentence for perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment, I believe.
However, in the eyes of a police officer I expect he would take a more serious view of the partial cleaning than if the whole vehicle was dirty.
p1esk said:
If you clean the rest of your vehicle, but deliberately omit to clean the number plates, does that fall within the scope of a 'perverting the course of justice' offence?
It could certainly be argued by the prosecution that they were intended to render the plates illegible to cameras, thereby attempting avoid prosecution, yes. Whether the jury would accept it BRD is another question, of course. But the defence would have a fairly hard job arguing it wasn't, especially if there were a wodge of tickets hanging off it.TooMany2cvs said:
p1esk said:
If you clean the rest of your vehicle, but deliberately omit to clean the number plates, does that fall within the scope of a 'perverting the course of justice' offence?
It could certainly be argued by the prosecution that they were intended to render the plates illegible to cameras, thereby attempting avoid prosecution, yes. Whether the jury would accept it BRD is another question, of course. But the defence would have a fairly hard job arguing it wasn't, especially if there were a wodge of tickets hanging off it.TooMany2cvs said:
It could certainly be argued by the prosecution that they were intended to render the plates illegible to cameras, thereby attempting avoid prosecution, yes. Whether the jury would accept it BRD is another question, of course. But the defence would have a fairly hard job arguing it wasn't, especially if there were a wodge of tickets hanging off it.
Non sequitur. If the tickets were correctly assigned then the plate was not too dirty 
speedking31 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
especially if there were a wodge of tickets hanging off it.
Non sequitur. If the tickets were correctly assigned then the plate was not too dirty A couple of months ago I watched a chavvy little s
te on a scooter/moped/hairdryer whizz through the "kill zone" of a Gatso at comfortably over the 30 limit. As he went through he reached back with one hand and covered his numberplate pretty much completely.
I'm not a fan of Saudi-style justice, but right then, I could see a lot of use for it.
te on a scooter/moped/hairdryer whizz through the "kill zone" of a Gatso at comfortably over the 30 limit. As he went through he reached back with one hand and covered his numberplate pretty much completely. I'm not a fan of Saudi-style justice, but right then, I could see a lot of use for it.
TooMany2cvs said:
9mm said:
Life imprisonment for a dirty number plate. This place takes scaremongering to new levels.
Your comprehension skills aren't that strong, are they?Would it be the scaremongering, the goody two shoes car arse wiping or the cobblers about pcoj?
9mm said:
Which bit of the tripe posted in this thread do you think I've failed to comprehend?
Fact: Life is maximum sentence for PCoJFact: People doing naughty things to get off speeding tickets have been found guilty of PCoJ
Fiction: Anybody ever said it was even remotely feasible that you'd get life for a dirty plate...
TooMany2cvs said:
9mm said:
Which bit of the tripe posted in this thread do you think I've failed to comprehend?
Fact: Life is maximum sentence for PCoJFact: People doing naughty things to get off speeding tickets have been found guilty of PCoJ
Fiction: Anybody ever said it was even remotely feasible that you'd get life for a dirty plate...
People like you (and those saddos that go around cleaning car number plates or photograph parked cars) can't bear the idea that someone could escape a speeding ticket because of a dirty plate and love to scaremonger.
What you really need to do is get a life.
9mm said:
Fact: No-one has ever got life for trying to get off a speeding charge either.
Thank you for repeating what I just said. I'm glad you've understood that bit.9mm said:
Introducing the concept of pcoj ... into a thread about dirty plates is risible. Unless of course you can point to a successful prosecution, which you won't be able to.
I already mentioned a very well-known case where PCoJ was proven for an attempt to get off a speeding ticket.9mm said:
What you really need to do is get a life.
I have a very satisfying life, thanks - in large part because I paid attention at school.TooMany2cvs said:
9mm said:
Fact: No-one has ever got life for trying to get off a speeding charge either.
Thank you for repeating what I just said. I'm glad you've understood that bit.9mm said:
Introducing the concept of pcoj ... into a thread about dirty plates is risible. Unless of course you can point to a successful prosecution, which you won't be able to.
I already mentioned a very well-known case where PCoJ was proven for an attempt to get off a speeding ticket.9mm said:
What you really need to do is get a life.
I have a very satisfying life, thanks - in large part because I paid attention at school.9mm said:
Trying to conflate Huhne/his wife/Briscoe and dirty number plates is laughable.
Well, if a different "get the missus to take the points" isn't good enough...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershir...
...then how about PCoJ for changing the plates for ones with an EU border in order to get off a speeding ticket?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30479468
Or there's always the good old "It was a bloke test-driving, honest"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22449442
Or even "It was my dad, but he's died"
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-serial-sp...
Or what about a more general threat/promise, rather than a specific case?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17365818
I don't hear any of them laughing - especially the first one, Gordon Fraser. He found it so unfunny he killed himself shortly afterwards.
TooMany2cvs said:
9mm said:
Trying to conflate Huhne/his wife/Briscoe and dirty number plates is laughable.
Well, if a different "get the missus to take the points" isn't good enough...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershir...
...then how about PCoJ for changing the plates for ones with an EU border in order to get off a speeding ticket?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30479468
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Or there's always the good old "It was a bloke test-driving, honest"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22449442
Or even "It was my dad, but he's died"
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-serial-sp...
Or what about a more general threat/promise, rather than a specific case?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17365818
I don't hear any of them laughing - especially the first one, Gordon Fraser. He found it so unfunny he killed himself shortly afterwards.
Someone with dirty plates is not going to be charged with pcoj except under the most extraordinary circumstances. Those won't include failing to clean your car.
What might happen is that you'd be asked/told to clean the plate and/or cop a small fine.
9mm said:
All very interesting and nothing whatsoever with dirty plates.
<sigh> So much more than an Egyption river.9mm said:
Someone with dirty plates is not going to be charged with pcoj except under the most extraordinary circumstances. Those won't include failing to clean your car.
Might they include cleaning three sides of your car? Or all of the car bar the rear plate?TooMany2cvs said:
9mm said:
All very interesting and nothing whatsoever with dirty plates.
<sigh> So much more than an Egyption river.9mm said:
Someone with dirty plates is not going to be charged with pcoj except under the most extraordinary circumstances. Those won't include failing to clean your car.
Might they include cleaning three sides of your car? Or all of the car bar the rear plate?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff